The Problem With Talia Is That There’s Basically Two Different, Conflicting Versions Of Her. 

The problem with Talia is that there’s basically two different, conflicting versions of her. 

The original characterisation has her very much as someone who would do anything to protect Damian, who did yes, raise him in the league of assassins and have him taught how to kill, but when she realised she couldn’t protect him from Ra’s, sent him to live with Bruce, both to keep him safe and teach him how to be better.

The other, newer characterisation has her as someone who doesn’t care about Damian as anything other than a tool, who put a bounty on his head at one point, had Slade control his movements through spinal implants and did have him killed, (and also that weird plot line where there were a whole bunch of failed-damians). 

Neither of them are necessarily good mothers, but one is definitely worse than the other. So people who consider Talia a good parent probably go from the original charaterisation. 

And as op says, Bruce (for all his flaws) is definitely the better parent, no matter which version. 

When somebody implies Talia is the better parent

When Somebody Implies Talia Is The Better Parent

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6 years ago

Hey OP? Meet me at the ball pit, I just wanna talk I promise,,,,

SHARE YOUR HEADCANON! BURN US TO ASHES!!

I want you to remember that you asked for this.

I was thinking about Jason’s resurrection and how it was never really explained. I still don’t have an explanation, but I started wondering if he was the only one this had happened to. So the symptoms that I know are that he was like a zombie—confused, disoriented, easily frightened, pale, disheveled. Right? And supposedly the Lazarus Pit is what brought out his unhinged rage.

I don’t think that’s the case because Damian didn’t have those symptoms, at least not that I’ve seen. (And apparently Cass used the Pit as well? And I’ve never seen her shown as displaying a Jason-level rage.) You have to remember that my comics background is very light, but also the comics are a mess, I stick to the narrow band of consistent characteristics, fight me.

So, returning to Jason’s so-called Pit madness, what if the Pit wasn’t the cause of the rage? 

What if the ABSOLUTELY UNMANAGEABLE LEVELS OF STRESS caused by being violently murdered, stitched back together, and then having to DIG YOURSELF OUT OF YOUR OWN COFFIN ONLY TO DISCOVER THAT YOUR FAMILY REPLACED YOU were the true origin of his issues? 

And all the Pit was responsible for was making him lucid enough to express that fairly quickly and also erasing his physical injuries?

If you accept this premise, then you get something very interesting. What if ~someone~ died in a similarly awful fashion and was raised by this unknown power, but did NOT have the baptism by Pit? What would you have then?

You would have a confused, disoriented person still bearing the scars of their death and whatever psychological trauma that was a part of them when they died compounded by likely also digging themselves out of their own grave. Their trauma would likely be amplified by the time it would take to piece back together what little was left of their mind after being resurrected. 

Now assume this person had no Talia to direct their rage. Oh and the pale-as-death skin. Don’t forget that. You could even, feasibly, add in a small backstory about this person being taught as a child to laugh at their fears. 

So you have a psychologically unhinged, physically damaged person with death-madness, no fixed point for their rage, unerased scars from whatever killed them, unnaturally pale skin, and terror out the wazoo because haiiiii murdered and resurrected six feet underground, and then they remember to laugh at their fears. 

What do you get?


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6 years ago

I’ve never really shipped Hal and Bruce before but after reading this issue (green lantern 2005, issue 9) I can see why people do

(do I still need to warn for spoilers if it’s been like 13 years?)

I’ve Never Really Shipped Hal And Bruce Before But After Reading This Issue (green Lantern 2005, Issue

They’ve obviously hung out enough before at the manor that Hal knows about Alfred’s amazingness

I’ve Never Really Shipped Hal And Bruce Before But After Reading This Issue (green Lantern 2005, Issue

Hal being upset that Bruce called him Jordan

I’ve Never Really Shipped Hal And Bruce Before But After Reading This Issue (green Lantern 2005, Issue

Bruce being petty (not pictured: Bruce turning quickly so that Hal bumps his head after Hal was going on about not needing a seatbelt)

I’ve Never Really Shipped Hal And Bruce Before But After Reading This Issue (green Lantern 2005, Issue

Hal bringing out Bruce’s immature side (also: inside joke)

I’ve Never Really Shipped Hal And Bruce Before But After Reading This Issue (green Lantern 2005, Issue

Bonding over dead parents

I’ve Never Really Shipped Hal And Bruce Before But After Reading This Issue (green Lantern 2005, Issue

Hal trying to help Bruce get over the trauma of his parent’s death (by letting him use his ring)

I’ve Never Really Shipped Hal And Bruce Before But After Reading This Issue (green Lantern 2005, Issue

Bruce getting over his paranoia and accepting that Hal is back (and actually verbalising his emotions for once in his life)

I still don’t know if I ship them but either way this whole issue was so good and adorable


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3 weeks ago

Love the idea that the rest of the batfam never knows what to expect with Cass and Dick. Monday they're a united eldest sibling front against Bruce's nonsense. Tuesday Cass walks into the cave and decks Dick in the face for reasons unknown to everyone else. Wednesday she's crying and he's comforting her. Thursday he's grumbling to Tim, Duke and Damian about how he can't be the only good older sibling example and it's not fucking fair that she gets away with all the bullshit she does. Friday they're back to being a united front against Bruce, who they've decided is the root of all their issues. Saturday they're sparring but it's so intense half the family wonder if they're fighting for real again. Sunday they work like a well oiled machine and solve 23 cases in one night. Monday the cycle repeats.

1 month ago
I Adore Garth
I Adore Garth

I adore Garth

3 weeks ago
Dick's Mob Era Happening Around The Same Time As Jason Building Himself Up As A Crime Lord Has So Much
Dick's Mob Era Happening Around The Same Time As Jason Building Himself Up As A Crime Lord Has So Much

Dick's mob era happening around the same time as Jason building himself up as a crime lord has so much entertainment potential.

1 month ago

favorite Bruce Wayne hc of the week: you’re allowed to follow him into the Cave to continue your argument, but he’s going to start undressing and pulling off armor while heading for the showers and if you get an eyeful, that’s on you.

It’s an effective tactic and stops a good 60% of those arguments in their tracks. The remaining 40% are usually intense enough to follow Bruce into the showers and yell at him while he’s casually showering off grime and blood.

1 month ago

after patrolling, unwinding in a diner somewhere ...

After Patrolling, Unwinding In A Diner Somewhere ...

throw the man a bone batman geez

6 years ago

Connor: In your opinion what's the height of stupidity?

Roy [yelling]: Hey Ollie, how tall are you?


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1 week ago
But I Never Imagined A Dot Quite As Pale Or As Blue

but i never imagined a dot quite as pale or as blue

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