JOHN LENNON: "When The Beatles Were Depressed -thinking The Group Was Going Nowhere, And This Is A Shitty

What wsa the objection to this hairstyle? I just don't get it.

Paul's favorite subject - John

Listen to this one, “Girl”. John’s been reading a book about pain and pleasure, about the idea behind Christianity – that to have pleasure you have to have pain. The book says that’s all rubbish, it often happens that pain leads to pleasure but you don’t “have” to have it, all that’s a drag. So we’ve written a song about it, with I suppose a little bit of protest – though we really don’t protest. Listen to John’s breath on the word “girl”: we asked the engineer to put it on treble, so you get this huge intake of breath and it sounds just like a percussion instrument.

[…]

I don’t read as much as John does. My main thing is, I’ve got to be settled to read. The times I would read are on a holiday, or in bed at night. The other day I took John to the Times Bookshop. I’d been there before and bought a copy of “The Emperor Jones” signed by Eugene O’Neill which really knocked me out, and the fellow there showed me the original manuscript of “Under Milk Wood”. The great thing about the Times Bookshop is that nobody’s going to bother about who you are. Well, John spent an hour there, and £150. It was a good day for the Times Bookshop and a good day for John.

— Paul interviewed for London Life Magazine (4th/10th December 1965 Issue)

George and Paul / Hamburg. 1960

I agree with this except I think it is very likely there was a physical relationship, although who can say. Well I wish someone could say. But I know it's none of my business. But still ...

Discussing McLennon's opponents arguments

Disclaimer: By writing McLennon in the title of this post, I made a simplification. I understand "believing in McLennon" as believing, or even contemplating / leaving a window to the possibility that John and Paul's relationship was not purely platonic. This includes variations: that John was unhappily in love with Paul, that they were secret lovers, and - most likely in my opinion - that their feelings for each other were (at least in part) romantic, but they didn't do anything about it. Often, especially in general (non-Mclennon) Beatles groups, I am faced with disbelief or even outright dislike when someone starts this topic. Today I will try to look at what the opponents of our thesis say.

"You're just sexualizing everything! There may be a close friendship between men" (in a more ridiculous and nasty version that I saw in the comment on YT: "Only women and gays believe in McLennon because straight men know that there can be close friendship between men") Well, we start with a difficult topic. There are two different harmful points of view in society. The first is amatonormativity, according to which the only important relationship in a person's life is a romantic one, and friendships are less important. In this context, our critics might be right. BUT! There is also another harmful mechanism that must not be forgotten - homophobia. According to it, being an LGBTQ person is something wrong and a disgrace. Therefore, we cannot think of our idols (e.g., musical idols) as having (or contemplating) romantic and / or sexual relationships/feelings with people of the same sex. Homophobia permeates society as a whole, including historians who often interpreted two men who were close to each other as "just friends" (for example, Alexander the Great and Hephaestion). We are dealing with the same at McLennon. So we should be prudent and, where possible, fair when trying to judge any relationship considering the existence of both homophobia and amatonormativity.

"Who cares? What does it change if these two guys were in love?" Well, it changes a lot. If we accept that Lennon and McCartney were in love, we adopt a slightly different view of the breakup of the Beatles. That would explain (at least to some degree) why John was so ostentatious about his relationship with Yoko, why they got married just eight days after Paul, why he disliked Linda so much, and, most of all, why he attacked Paul so fiercely in 1970 and 1971. Of course, anger, jealousy, greed and insecurity can cause different behaviors (e.g. Gilmour and Waters fighting), but John and Paul fought each other like lovers. They wrote songs for themselves. In one of them, Paul, wanting to ease the battle, writes: "I'm in love with a friend of mine." Why? And why, for instance, does Lennon mention fucking McCartney in 1970s interviews? Broadening your horizon and accepting that the two guys had a romantic friendship would help with the analysis. Isn't that what being a historian/scholar is all about?

"It's impossible because they were both straight" This is something I wrote about above - plugging your ears and shouting: "Lalalala, my idol can't be gay!". Even if you don't think it is likely that two people had a non-platonic relationship, please be at least open to that eventuality. As for John not being straight - I'm preparing a masterpost on it, which will be released this month. Of course, I'll link it here later. As for Paul, the case is more difficult. I think I'll also make a post about it. I suspect (and would like to emphasize that this is only my interpretation, which may not be true) that Paul has been and is attracted to women all his life, and that the only man Paul has looked at romantically is John. It's like in this meme: "I'm straight but John Lennon is John Lennon" :D

"How can you discuss this? Isn't that interfering with their private lives?" Firstly: In my opinion, we can discuss the private life of celebrities, especially if they themselves decide to share it with us. John, Paul and those around them have largely decided to do so. Anyway, people have always analyzed the private life of the Beatels. Here, for example, we see a girl asking Paul in 1964 about his relationship with Jane Asher. And the most important thing: I've noticed that McLennon's opponents are quite okay with analyzing the private lives of the Beatles until the topic of homosexuality / bisexuality comes up. Only then do they say: "Leave them, it's their business!", not before. Do you know what it's called? Queerphobia. Secondly: Just read this post. That's all for now. What do you think? Feel free to comment.

Based on “Love Me Do: The Beatles’ Progress” by Michael Braun for The Observer (5 July 1964).

Scotch and music:

“Uh, I need another drink, baby,’ says John.

Paul goes to the phone. ‘Hello? Yeah, send us six single Scotches - No, make it doubles, yeah, doubles.”

I rewrote an old fic cause before I was presenting Ringo as straight and I'm tired of doing that.

Pretty proud of this.

Lots of McStarr but most other ships are mentioned too.

it's inspired by this photo

So ridiculous.

Psychotherapist Hugo G. Beigel analyzes the sexual appeal of the Beatles. Circa 1964.

McLennon for sure.

John’s “not that I care” series on Paul’s arrest according to Dakota Days by John Green

Instead of quoting the whole chapter, which i admit, is very tempting, I have decided to just post mini quotes of every time that John tells his psychic that he doesn’t really care about Paul’s arrest in 1980.

Here we go. I’ll start with this introduction from the book:

The Lennons were still maintaining separate living quarters and separate interests when they heard the news of Paul McCartney’s arrest. Paul had been arrested for trying to smuggle marijuana into Japan while visiting there to perform in a concert tour.  

Yoko worried that the news of Paul’s arrest might throw John back into the old depression. But when I talked to him over the phone one afternoon a few days after the incident, his voice held no depression, only righteous indignation and sympathy for Paul. (p, 229)

“It’s lousy, Charles. Typical, but lousy. Some petty official probably needed a promotion and set Paul up to get it. Not that I have great love for the man, you understand. (…) If he wanted his smoke, you know he wouldn’t have had to carry it on his own person” (p. 229 - 230)

“Paul’s been busted before, you know. Ths is only going to make life more difficult for him. Not that I care, but it’s just the meanness of the thing that irks me. “ (p. 230)

“So what are they holding him for? That’s just the work of some power-mad little creep showing off to the world, knowing that the longer he holds Paul the longer he is important”

“For someone you claime not to care about you seem awfully upset”

“It’s the injustice of the thing that upsets me. (…) Maybe it affects me a little more because it’s Paul, and I know him, and he’s a musician, but I doubt it. It would bother me no matter who they got”. (P. 231)

“You don’t think they are mistreating him, do you, Charles?”

“Aside from the fact that they are holding him in a jail cell, I doubt that there is any mistreatment”

“That’s good. Not that I really care, you understand, but I wouldn’t want to think they are abusing him in any way”

“You keep telling me how much you don’t care. I begin to wonder if it’s true”

“Of course I care! Not that I want to, but you can’t know a person as intimately as I’ve known Paul and not care. I’m pissed at him, and have been for years, but that’s my private war with him” (p, 234)

Two days later Paul was released. The concert had been canceled and he and Linda left Japan immediately. John greeted the news with a great sigh of relief. 

“I’m glad that’s over. I feel like I’ve been keeping a vigil for him. Not that I care, you understand” (p. 238)

And that is the series of Not That I Care by John Lennon. I just find it amusing and endearing, and thought i’d share. 

Please keep in mind that this has been sourced from Dakota Days by John Green. Many people consider him an unreliable source. Others, like myself, stand in the middle. There is no arguing that when it comes to insiders, he could be considered one. I believe his insight could be valuable, but at the same time I completely understand why people might feel differently. That said, enjoy! Bwahahahahaha 

More ✨McLennon✨!!!!

This song by Paul was just too perfect not to use!

I so love this night.

Paul McCartney and John Lennon in Obertauern, Austria, 18th March 1965.

The Beatles were filming Help! in Austria in March 1965. On the evening, Paul McCartney and John Lennon took part in a jam session at the Marietta Hotel in Obertauern.