A good reminder of why we keep getting Reylo Fighting scenes:
Every single TV spot/trailer being shown literally doesn’t say a thing about where any of the characters are ending up in the film. We have nothing on Poe, Finn, Rose, Rey, Ben, Leia, etc. because it’s what we call a spoiler.
So it’s a good thing we’re getting Reylo fighting, because it means it’s not a big spoiler.
It means we’re not gonna sit in the theater and go, “wow so the movie ended with Rey and Ben fighting! Totally didn’t see that coming.”
It means we’re blatantly being told this is not something worth hiding from the public before the movie premieres.
The character development for every single character in tros will not be revealed in TV spots or trailers. Reylo on opposite sides isn’t worth hiding.
Reylo together is.
Tbh, all of Ben’s scenes were powerful/meaningful and had me bawling in the thatre today, but I still think they kinda wasted his character, or better, missed a lot of opportunities with him and didn’t handle his story arc well:
-He had little screen time/dialouge (the “No one knows me”/”But I do” bit didn’t even show up??) and barely interacted with characters other than Rey, as well as being directly talked about by the other characters. Would’ve loved a short argument between him and Hux or a heated meeting between him and Finn/Poe to see how their reactions would have changed.
-Leia didn’t mention him while talking to Rey (really missed such a part), didn’t react to his redemption because she was killed off right before, but she also didn’t even do so at all as a force ghost. It’s kinda upsetting to me that she seemed to pay attention to Rey, who is essentially a stranger taking her name, than to her own son redeeming himself and dying for his love.
- Ben’s death is what bugs me the most. I get that it was him making a selfless choice, sacrificing himself for someone he loves rather than a selfish choice against and sacrificing someone he loves like with Han and I appreciate that it was essentially him finding peace and realizing whom he loves most and what makes him happy but… idk it felt so small and unimportant in the context of the movie to me. Partly because he was so isolated from/ignored by the other characters so it only had an impact on Rey, she’s the only one who knows about it and didn’t show much emotion about it to me, especially afterwards.
To add to that I’d say that he’s just kind of… forgotten after his death? It makes me so sad that he struggles, redeems himself, realizes so much, crawls in pain to his love and saves her by giving his own life, actually smiling for the first time in the whole ST and is then never mentioned again? He’s neither mentioned by any of his family members (they are there but just help Rey instead?? Since Han was just a memory/metaphor) nor honored for his redemption and sacrifice by anyone. They could’ve just made a scene where Rey mentions him saving her to anyone, finds his lightsaber and smiles (okay that might be a bit weird but I hope y’all know what I mean), buries his helmet in the desert or makes a gravestone for him or something like that. There seems to be like… no appreciation from her side afterwards which I find so, so sad and pretty ooc for Rey. Honestly made me dislike her a bit in the end.
All this is even fueled by the fact that he just dematerializes instead of simply dying, so there is no burial like with Vader, which would’ve been a moment of intimacy and honor. She could’ve kept his clothes, but probably didn’t, even though that would’ve been sweet.
They didn’t even bother to make him appear as a force ghost goddamnit! That makes me so mad!
It was just Leia and Luke. Just… having him live on with his family in peace as a spirit after all that would’ve given out at least a little bit of hope.
But no. His redemption, sacrifice and death is just kinda glossed over like it was no big deal in the end, as if it hadn’t been such a huge theme in the ST and it’s pretty ironic that Ben got more attention and hopeful support from his family when he was evil than when he was alive and good.
To me it appears that Ben was almost punished for his redemption in a way. Even if he has done terrible things, he just shouldn’t be erased after that, especially not if the focus has always been on his inner conflict anyways.
(Ugh and don’t even get me started on the fact that he didn’t get a happy life with Rey - which they both deserved - or real revenge on Palpatine and that we never got to see his emotions towards Vader…)
I mean, maybe he did imply that it was too late for him to be saved, but I call BS since to me it was just his uncertainty speaking and a parallel to TFA. His princey unmask in TFA even implied that he was still human and that he was still able to be saved. And maybe he didn’t become a force ghost because he lives on with Rey’s soul, but heck, I WANNA SEE STUFF LIKE THAT ON SCREEEN! Not in my mind or the novels or metaphors!
(And am I the only one that feels like chunks of TFA and TLJ were ignored and the Reylo conversations were kinda a bit too… unemotional and too much focused on their parents rather than Rey and Ben? I also had the impression that Rey didn’t have much “real emotion” towards Ben in this movie? Like their love was very one-sided in the final movie?)
That being said, I really do appreciate Ben sacrificing himself for Rey, his smile, their kiss and that whole thing with him coming to peace with his father’s murder, it was beautiful and helped showing that he genuienly loved her, that he was in fact deeply regretting killing Han, and it was completely erasing his “monster”-label in my eyes, but Ben still really shouldn’t have died like that. It’s just not hopeful to me.
His redemption/sacrifice/death had shockingly little impact on the other characters and story and felt very unimportant/meaningless to me. (Which is also my view on Han’s sacrifice - with Ben dying in the end, it sorta felt a lot less meanigful and - I hate to say it - like a waste. Han surely went out there because he wanted his son to live, not to die and be forgotten by everyone)
In the end, I really don’t think that JJ and his team handled the ending of Kylo’s/Ben’s story well. And I’d say that even if I wasn’t a Reylo. Ben could’ve found his peace and payed for his sins without ending like that.
#BenSoloDeservedBetter
Well, you know what, while we’re waiting, you guys could tape your message to Emma for her 18th birthday, huh?
https://www.nexusmods.com/starwarsbattlefront22017/mods/1338
so I got into grad school today with my shitty 2.8 gpa and the moral of the story is reblog those good luck posts for the love of god
Or maybe because you just happen to like another character more. Why does race constantly need to be brought up to attack someone’s preference of character/storyline?
why would you bring race to a completely unrelated matter? and you’re only on episode two and you’re saying already that lancelot & nimue are the superior ship even when you haven’t gotten the chance to see arthur and nimue develop their relationship? damn. maybe you ARE racist.
I got excited by the possibility of Nimue and Lancelot becoming romantically involved after watching just the first episode. Like I said in the original post, I enjoy the enemies to lovers trope and it seems to me like that’s what’s being set up to happen. I love trying to predict the plot of shows and movies and me shipping them is just one of those predictions. I didn’t realize people were being called racist for shipping them until I was scrolling through related tags and my post was a response to that.
I try my hardest to be an anti-racist but I know I still have a more to learn since I’m not a POC. It’s possible I ship Nimue with Lacelot instead of Arther because of subconscious racism and I’ll be mindful of that as I continue to watch the show. It’s my belief though that arguments about ships detract from more important issues POC deal with daily. As my original post said, multiple POVs can coexist in fandoms as long as those opinions aren’t actively hurting or oppressing people.
If anyone is wondering what post prompted this ask, here’s the link:
Especially when Alina starts seeing “visions” of him it reminds me of the force bond and how they both bond over being lonely
ok but what if we REALLY get a kiss between Rey and Ben? I mean are y’all sure you can handle it without screaming/crying/fainting because tbh these 4 years have been the longest foreplay ever and I think I bottled up so much excitement and expectations while AT THE SAME TIME trying to keep my expectations low to avoid being disappointed that I think I’m ready to explode any minute now and I could just as well die if they really kissed on screen and they’ll have to drag my dead body out of the theater
Tall, dark haired character with a difficult past that made them into a monster: exists
Me: