may 3rd 2016: taylor “”“"meets”“”“ buzz cut joe, falls for his ”“”“"gorgeous”“”“ face instantly, only to dance w / tom hiddleston - all while having a boyfriend
june 1st 2016: tayvin ENDS and the heavens open up on this glorious day!!!!
june 15th 2016: taylor and tom snog oh so privately on the beach. thus implying the start of their relationship. (despite being secretly in love w/ joe all along i guess??)
all summer long the two fly around the world together. totally a love that’s a “secret im hoping dreaming dying to keep”. joe is apparently her friend throughout all of this - emotional cheating, anyone????
august 3rd 2016: karlie’s 24th birthday
she posts a picture of taylor wearing this outfit:
and later on an “”“unkown”“”“ date, taylor just happens to be recording the back up vocals (implying the vocals are almost done, and thus implying taylor was trying to finish up a demo for SOME REASON on THIS date) wearing the same outfit:
but wait you say: ISN’T SHE STILL WITH TOM????
you right fam. which leaves three choices:
the song is for tom - despite dumping him a month later and having absolutely NO secrecy to hope and dream and die to keep about the relationship, and having met three months ago not “a few weeks ago”
the song is for joe - while she’s with tom. um cheater cheater pumpkin eater miss swift!!!!! do we really want to believe this is the option over her having a beard???
the song (’s demo) is a birthday present for miss kloss
september 7th 2016: hiddlestunt ends. shouldve known she’d be the first to leave!
september 17th 2016: taylor is spotted in nashville wearing this outfit:
which we later see on an “”“"unknown”“”“ date during what sounds like the final production of komh:
(she is wearing a sweater over the shirt, same hat, hair, and makeup doe!!!!!)
sure her and joe could have been ”“”“secretly seeing”“”“ each other romantically a mere ten days after her last relationship ended. sure she decided he was the king of her heart a mere ten days or less into the relationship. or she was cheating long before.
but!!!!!
“we met a few weeks ago”
the met gala was four months and two weeks ago. um. not really a few weeks. (this also seems the most likely as dress says “flashback when you met me / your buzzcut my hair bleached”)
OR if they met on october 12th 2016:
which implies the song to have been written after late november of 2016 (“i recall late november”) which would place their meeting at “a few weeks ago”
OR
implies their meeting was september 28th 2016 (“do you remember the 28th night of september”), widely assumed to be their anniversary, and would place the writing of the song to be in october/november 2016…..(both options which would require us to ignore the meeting lyrics in dress)
Just because I notice things...thought trail
Chunga munga is the cowardly lion from The Wizard of Oz (bow on his tail)
Which made me think of these red shoes from Taylor’s post
Which reminded me of the Tim Walker shoot Karlie posted last year around this time reminiscing (she was Dorothy)
October 2010 W mag Tim walker shoot
Which made me think of the song Somewhere Over The Rainbow that Karlie added to her “good morning” playlist on 3/8/21
There are only 3 songs on the playlist
The playlist is 13 mins long.
Which made me of course think of this connection
And just throwing these in for good measure
Are we on the Red Brick road right now ?
hey for the life of me i can’t find the pants but i’m pretty darn sure that’s an adidas track suit
don’t you think it works with this top?
like, same color same white piping
plus, the three stripes
so not only is it the same color scheme as this,
it’s also, you know, adidas brand 🙈🙈🙈
What are the top three things that happened in the last year or so that make you so confident they are still together? No “sources”. No small coincidences. Real things that make sense. No eye theory allowed! Go!
ok anon, i’ll bite!
-taylor’s sudden and sustained use of baby, child, and father imagery and language from lover era through folklore and evermore and now. karlie has done some of it too.
i could list it all up but this post would get very long and it’s, you know, a touchy subject. but i think it’s been pretty noticeable if you’ve been open to it. plus idk, taylor creates a whole album about a secret love and talks about wanting to be her lover’s end game but somehow it’s not supposed to include starting a family? and if it does it needs to be done publicly?
-taylor’s continued use of the crest symbol (something kaylors identified far earlier than swifties)
beyond the Lover music video, we see it in the evermore album photos, and she’s now used it on The Vault. it’s the snake looking like an S and the butterfly looking like a K, for me. plus.. crests are made for *families*
-social interactions with mutual acquaintances.
for example, cara delevigne going to see taylors SNL performance and also publicly sending karlie bottles of wine. misty copeland dancing for taylor’s AMA performance and then also posting a pic wearing a LIKE A KLOSS tshirt to instagram. lily aldridge wishing karlie a happy birthday using a pic where taylor’s right there in the frame. the haim sisters hanging out both with taylor and with karlie on multiple occasions. etc. and then brandon maxwell adding taylor swift songs to his runway shows, and christian siriano often featuring pics on instagram of taylor in dresses he’s designed. all this while karlie hosted project runway with them as judge and mentor. if you believe taylor and karlie were ever together, these kinds of sustained moments should give you pause because they just wouldn’t happen if there was a breakup.
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-taylor making the noticeable public pivot towards “fictitious songwriting” with folklore and evermore.
this isn’t so much a proof as something that i think really sets her up well for the future. for me, trying to wean the public off of searching for connections between lyrics and her real life is a way of protecting what she has. plus it has allowed her to write about a greater variety of things.
-the red rose dresses
i’m sorry say what you will about twinning being abstract (yes sometimes it is) but, this kind of thing is just obvious. what’s more, we can deduce that taylor started working on that video before karlie started designing her dress, and karlie then designed hers, debuted it, and taylor then went and did the video without change. to a similar extent you could argue a similar pattern with the yellow dresses in 2019 (elle cover/off-white runway) and the orange thing (yntcd/carolina herrera vogue cover/adidas/match.com) that went into 2020. there’s a pattern of one of them debuting a look, the other puts out a similar look, then it gets revealed the other was working on it earlier, etc… plenty of opportunities to course correct these bold primary color twinning moments if they didn’t want anything to do with one another.
-taylor continuing to wear the vsfs ring (which is undeniably a kaylor bat signal)
on significant days such as kissgate anniversary in 2019, while accepting an award in 2021, and at her birthday party just this month. honestly i could write a dissertation on other jewelry things (karlie wearing the cartier necklace through the pandemic onset and her pregnancy, the alison lou of it all… or the awe le duo necklace lolol, but the angel wing ring takes the cake)
moreover, it’s just all this and every other thing, in aggregate. they’ve both maintained my attention!
Tea Time! There's something in the bridge of Coney ISLAnd you all are missing!
Coney Island 🎤
Taylor’s alleged MySpace comments in a chronological order from 2005 to 2006. (Time of posts on 24h). Pictures of the comments were too blurry, so I didn’t add, but if needed, I have them saved in a file if anyone needs proof.
NB: All the comments are replies to unknown posts by her friends, so the context is unknown.
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Okay, so…
I will make a more detailed post when I have a second, but I needed to get the bare bones of my theory out before Red (TV) comes out.
I don’t know much about Swiftgron and we’re all entitled to our own opinions. Don’t like this theory… keep moving. Leave hate on my page and I will “sting like a scorpion.” Deal? Deal.
Bear with me. It’s all a jumble in my head, but listen back and you’ll see I’m at least somewhat on the right track.
KK was 17 and T was 20 (almost makes me think Love Story could have been about her, too… but I digress).
My theory is that T and KK hit it off and she was maybe still with Liz Huett (who I feel like is the inspiration for ‘The 1’ (insert link to previous post here).
While I’m at it, I’m also certain Folklore & Evermore are their love story told out.
Cardigan: “chase two girls, lose ‘the 1.’” She was with Liz (“the 1”) and chased Karlie (aka Betty/Dorothea) after they met at the Tommy Hilfiger show, and they had a fling until things got messy (see Red Era fighting, realizing the other person is your one, and not reaching out until months later and you’ve both seen other people (cue Swiftgron & August).
After 10 months she shows up at Karlie’s door and they’re ‘Clean.’ No more animosity, no more holding back. They decide to be seen together, “show their truth one single time” (Kissgate) and decide they’re not ready for the war.
1989, Reputation, & Lover all SCREAM Karlie, and after listening back, I feel like Red does, too. I’m adding screenshots of my ‘notes’ and maybe someone else can unscramble this mess in my head.
“The girl in my story has always been you”
Coffee for Two...
"Tea for Two..."
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A more in depth analysis of my theory that Peace is from both Taylor and Karlie’s perspective. The bold is Taylor speaking, the normal text is Karlie and the italicized is my own interpretation. :) Hope you like it! I’ll maybe add pictures to another post later.
Our coming-of-age has come and gone
In reference to the golden Kaylor age of glass closeting in the public eye 2014 - 2016 (I say 2016 but you could tell she was starting to want to hide then, Taylor)
Suddenly this summer, it’s clear
Cruel Summer reference for me like the summer her gives her clarity it’s been cruel.
I never had the courage of my convictions
and she never leaves well enough alone think of kissgate aftermath and 2016 another cruel summer mess
As long as danger is near
And it’s just around the corner, darlin’
Taylor sings “darlin’” alot on Lover so that is partially why I think she’s speaking this part.
‘Cause it lives in me
Taylor always thinks “who could live with this” the drama of her life and the danger of not being safe to live in the closet or out of it. Dual meaning.
No, I could never give you peace
This is what they are both saying to each other throughout the song.
- Taylor
“But I’m a fire and I'll keep your brittle heart warm
Call it what you want ‘(s)he built a fire to keep me warm. So kk builds the fires.
If your cascade, ocean wave blues come
Taylor speaks alot about her blues from reputation to folklore that she suffers from depression or sadness waves. Karlie is saying if your blues come again I will build the fire with my heart. I think they both suffer from this as most people do but I picture Karlie the one saying no matter what I will take care of you in sadness.
All these people think love’s for show
But I would die for you in secret
I think this is reference to Taylor’s fans. If Karlie, God Forbid, were to die right now no one would know she’s the love of Taylors life unless Taylor said something. She would sacrifice herself in secret for Taylor. This is the deepest line to me. She (Karlie) is referencing Taylor’s fanbase they freak out over a like from a man on Instagram everyone thinks it’s for show but she would die for her in secret.
The devil’s in the details, but you got a friend in me
The details being the Easter Eggs to Kaylors and the drudgery of stunting. The devil is in the details of her public persona and Taylor’s public persona. ‘you got a friend in me’ is my favorite line! I think about Karlie’s tweet that she will always have Taylor’s back and then the line from ‘It’s Nice to Have a Friend’ - ‘have my back, yeah, everyday, it’s nice to have a friend’. Then Karlie is saying ‘you have a friend in me!’ in Peace.
Would it be enough if I could never give you peace?”
They both are vowing this to each other it’s beautiful.
- Karlie
Your integrity makes me seem small - T
I think this line could either be T or K. Taylor in the 2015 era of Calvin and Karlie maybe wanting to be free. The opposite goes for Karlie now and Taylor. Karlie seems to be the one to feel like her ‘integrity’ is compromised because she is associated with a K*shner in America right now. Taylor can’t and won’t associate with Karlie right now in the public sphere because of this.
You paint dreamscapes on the wall - K
Taylor has been painting dreamscapes since rep era. I think this line is like them musing about their habits when they were together in Taylor’s pre-rep phase. Taylor even painted the dreamscapes in the cardigan music video. Also Taylor is saying “you” then the next line is “I”.
I talk shit with my friends, it’s like I’m wasting your honor -T
I think this line could apply to either of them again. They both feel like they are wasting away the other’s promise to each other because they are closeted. In the public sphere they both worry they are wasting the others honor.
And you know that I’d swing with you for the fences - K
Baseball reference Karlie loves Baseball (me too girl).
Sit with you in the trenches - T
Ok, I think this is T because she references her grandfather in epiphany in the trenches. She is her grandfather’s granddaughter. A James to her Betty reference if you will. She would sit in the trenches with K. Which is essentially what’s happening right now. They are in the trenches.
Give you my wild -K
This line reminds me of ‘maybe you ran with the wolves and refused to settle down’ is definitely about Karlie!!! Also the atticus book that the anon told me about,
give you a child -T
I think this one could be either of them again. It’s a suggestion. As the song goes on I see it as they are starting to both cut to the chase and talking directly to each other like their fears are coming out one on top of the other.
Give you the silence that only comes when two people understand each other - T
Taylor sings about silence on YAIL ‘you can hear it in the silence’ the silence on Cornelia Street when you can hear it literally at the end of the song. Taylor is saying the silence is comfortable they completely understand each other and their love in the silence.
Family that I chose, now that I see your brother as my brother
Is it enough? - K
Taylor in that one instagram post where she says ‘when your friends feel like family’ is with her Austin and Karlie. I’ll post it if I find it. This one line has really helped I think us see the whole song from Karlie’s perspective too.
But there’s robbers to the east, clowns to the west - T
But the people who come for us will be coming for us and I can’t guarantee the peace of all the drama. That comes with her public brand.
I’d give you my sunshine, give you my best - K
Sunshine is Karlie. Periodt. She will try her best always for T.
But the rain is always gonna come if you’re standin’ with me - T
I like that it ends with this line before the chorus again. It started with Taylor and ended with her. It’s always a fear of hers that the rain is going to come and scare away her true love she’s so scared of it being a ‘dealbreaker’ in her relationships. At the end though it feels like they are both standing in the rain staring up. Like as long as you know the rain is going to come when you’re standing with me and you choose that for yourself, then we will be fine. I think it ends on a positive note. That is generally is a happy beautiful song sounds like vows to me.
This November 13th has truly been a celebration.
How it Started:
How it’s going:
‘Twas a happy Kaylor anniversary. Cheers to many more years.
Things I think about
“Meet me in the afterglow.” - Taylor Swift