Let's Look Briefly At The Coffee Bean In Spider-Man Comics!

Let's Look Briefly At The Coffee Bean In Spider-Man Comics!

Let's look briefly at the Coffee Bean in Spider-Man comics!

Contrary to popular memory, Peter's college pals initially met up at a diner called the Silver Spoon (ASM 44, but also 46, 52, possibly 125).

Let's Look Briefly At The Coffee Bean In Spider-Man Comics!
Let's Look Briefly At The Coffee Bean In Spider-Man Comics!
Let's Look Briefly At The Coffee Bean In Spider-Man Comics!

The spread at the top of this post takes a lot from this place's layout. But as newcomer MJ might have pointed out, diners are so fifties. The modern teen needed someplace cooler and edgier to hang out. Somewhere more underground. Literally.

Let's Look Briefly At The Coffee Bean In Spider-Man Comics!
Let's Look Briefly At The Coffee Bean In Spider-Man Comics!

Maps place The Coffee Bean alternately in East Village or Tribeca. The beret and glasses? The lowercase Dante's Inferno quote? The wall-hung guitar? So hipster. Wait, wrong decade. So beatnik.

The OG Bean didn't show up much more frequently than the Silver Spoon (ASM 53, 59, and 82, most notably), but it's the one that stuck in the cultural imagination. I enjoy Tim Sale's take in Spider-Man: Blue with the unfinished basement look and cult film posters.

Let's Look Briefly At The Coffee Bean In Spider-Man Comics!

In early modern flashbacks, the location is plagued by a specific continuity problem: "then [character] leaps through the WINDOW!" from new writers who missed the fact that it's below ground. In ASM Annual '96, JRSr complies by raising the ceiling a level!

Let's Look Briefly At The Coffee Bean In Spider-Man Comics!

The Sensational Spider-Man Annual's approach to the Coffee Bean makes me a bit sad. Dialogue repeatedly emphasizes its unique character and long history and how well MJ knows the place. But it's drawn aboveground and totally generic. (This from an issue with a dozen Silver Age panels directly traced!)

Let's Look Briefly At The Coffee Bean In Spider-Man Comics!
Let's Look Briefly At The Coffee Bean In Spider-Man Comics!

It's not the first time that happens, but here feels like a critical failure of show-don't-tell. The eventual window smash is worth it, but... I'd argue this would work better set at the Silver Spoon (where MJ actually met the gang, old in an uncool way, aboveground) instead.

Brand New Day reestablishes a solid sense of place for the Coffee Bean. Brick and glass entryway, a logo that's less beatnik and more Starbuck, and an interior that reminds me of a Panera Bread.

Let's Look Briefly At The Coffee Bean In Spider-Man Comics!
Let's Look Briefly At The Coffee Bean In Spider-Man Comics!

(If it's supposed to be canon that the new more corporate look is due to renovations by Harry, that's been lost in the shuffle. But it would make sense to me. His effort at impressing Norman with a plan to make the Bean a chain store circa ASM 569 would extend his trend of editorializing his own memories.)

While it still teleports between Astor Place and Tribeca, this version has now had more consistent (and just more) appearances than the original. And, of course, it has a beautiful bank of windows to—

Let's Look Briefly At The Coffee Bean In Spider-Man Comics!

Ah, that's more like it.

The Coffee Bean has become a symbol of innocent nostalgia and a happier past. It was also (as designed by Romita Sr) a virtual bunker: not until 1977 would superheroics be written to take place inside the Coffee Bean. (ASM Annual #11—Romita Jr's first ever penciling job on Spider-Man, interestingly.)

As a silver age icon, the location was physically safe and interruption-free in a way that even Peter's apartments and Aunt May's house couldn't be. The architecture—and how it's changed—has been a large part of that symbolism, underappreciated as it sometimes is.

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I'm using this as a reference for ALL my fight scenes

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3 years ago

people talk a lot about how terrifying it must be to see those two bat eyes come out of the darkness, or to hear the swish of a cape and suddenly you’re being completely overpowered. bc that’s the bat’s whole schtick: striking fear into the hearts of criminals by being the darkness come to life. but imagine what it must be like, in the middle of the night, to be surrounded by darkness. then, out of nowhere you hear a chuckle, light and amused and promising something dangerous. you whip around, trying to pinpoint where it came from, but the voice is thrown, so it sounds like it’s ringing from everywhere around you. you see a flash out of the corner of your eye, and out of the darkest corner of the room, you see two bold blue stripes, and a bright blue mask. twin escrima sticks twirl, the light of the crackling electricity setting the coloured part of the costume alight. then, as he steps out into the light, all you see are flashes of that deep electric blue and the white glint of a smirk, before you’re suddenly taken down by an absolute hurricane of whirling flips, of black and blue and black and blue and the colour, twisting into a vivid work of art against pitch black.

anyway dc that’s my pitch on why you should bring nightwing’s fingerstripes back-

2 years ago

best friends

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4 years ago

I am curious. Which is your favorite of all of Dick's friendships? Why? Also do you prefer him with Babs or Kori? I am one of the few who think both relationships were beautiful

Donna Troy!

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What’s not to like about Dick and Donna? Their friendship is so pure. I like how they can go to each other with their problems and have someone to listen to that they’re not romantically involved with. Cause sometimes Donna needs reassurance about her relationships and her past or Dick needs someone who’s not from the Batfam checking up on him. Plus, there’s nothing better than Donna telling Dick she loves him and Dick immediately responding in kind. They’re just so adorable in the most platonic way possible. 

As for the dickbabs vs dickkory debacle, I don’t actively root for either pairing. Dick loved them both and benefited from his relationships with them in different ways. Each relationship had its shining and negative moments. It would be nice if people stopped pitting Kory and Babs against each other. They’re both kickass superheroes that don’t need to be defined by their relationship with Dick. That’s just my two cents. 

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3 years ago

<3

I keep seeing posts about the batkids using Batmans cape as a blanket, cause its warm and weighted, but I give you batman seeing any young hero that either cold or has just had a rough night and just draping it over their shoulders.

Nobody had a bad patrol? Blanket cape.

Abuse is having a rough night? Blanket cape.

Green canary's cold? You already know the answer!

Eventually Superman and other of the older caped heros catch on and start doing it too, and some of the younger heros start feeling comfortable enough to just ask for or steal the capes.

I Keep Seeing Posts About The Batkids Using Batmans Cape As A Blanket, Cause Its Warm And Weighted, But

This is so fucking wholesome 😭😭😭😭😭😭

1 year ago

Ah to be young and complicated

(I am young but very simple)

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2 years ago

I happened across this and found it helpful so I figured I’d share! Granted, it is from the ‘90s so I’ve got no clue how much of it has been retconned away.

I Happened Across This And Found It Helpful So I Figured I’d Share! Granted, It Is From The ‘90s
I Happened Across This And Found It Helpful So I Figured I’d Share! Granted, It Is From The ‘90s

From Nightwing Secret Files & Origins (Oct. 1999)

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3 months ago

post-crisis batkid canonical ages

“It’s impossible to figure out comic book timelines” - people who are not me and who I cannot relate to. I have crafted this, a coherent, canon-compliant timeline. A quick preface:

This is all for the Post-Crisis (i.e. New Earth/1986-2011/Pre-Flashpoint/pre-reboot/“preboot”/best) continuity.

My main principle here is diegetic evidence from comics >>>> evidence from supplemental materiel (like calendars, timelines from secret files & origins, character encyclopedias, etc)

Second principle is that mentions of ages, birthdays > mentions of time passed > non-birthday month placements (e.g. the start of school years).

We’re going to go youngest to oldest, because it actually makes more sense that way.

Damian is 10-11 at the end of preboot.

Damian’s birthday is not given in Post-Crisis.

Damian is 10 when he becomes Robin, per Batman and Robin vol 1 #1. He is still 10 in Batgirl vol 3 #17. That is the last time I am aware of where his age is said, so he may or may not have turned 11 in the short remaining time before Flashpoint.

Tim is about 7 years older than Damian. He is 17 at the end of preboot.

Tim’s birthday is July 19th (Robin #116).

Tim turned 16 in R#116, before the One Year Later event (where, as you may guess, a year passed), meaning he is at least 17 after OYL. Tim is still 17 in Red Robin #25. Damian becomes Robins between these events, meaning Tim is 17 when Damian is 10, and they are ~7 years apart.

RR#25 is the penultimate issue of Red Robin. Coupled with the significance of an 18th birthday and the fact that we never see one, there is virtually no chance that Tim turned 18 before Flashpoint. He’s 17.

Stephanie is <1 year older than Tim. Steph is 18 at the end of preboot.

Stephanie’s birthday is not given in Post-Crisis.

Stephanie was 15 when she first became Spoiler, per her recounting the story in Secret Origins 80-Page Giant. She is still 15 in Robin #59. In between these events, Tim is stated as 14 in Robin #43. Therefore, Stephanie is older. Stephanie “died” when she is 16, per the last story in Batman Allies Secret Files and Origins, between R#116 and OYL, meaning Tim was also 16. That makes her less than a year older.

She is also one grade above Tim, starting college in Batgirl vol 3 #1, shortly before it’s confirmed by Red Robin #17 that Tim (had he not dropped out) should be a senior in high school.

Stephanie starts college in Batgirl vol 3 #1, and we have every reason to believe she is starting at the “normal” time, making her 18. Since Tim is 17 at the end of Post-Crisis, and Steph is less than a year older, she can’t be any older than 18.

Jason is 1 year, 11 months, 3 days older than Tim. Jason is 19 at the end of preboot.

Jason’s birthday is on August 16th (Detective Comics #790).

No ambiguity here! Tim and Jason are exactly 702 days apart, unless Tim was born on or right after a leap year, making it 703. We know this because Jason’s 18th birthday is on August 16th in DC#790, which occurs after R#116 and Tim’s 16th birthday, but before OYL where Tim turns 17. This means Jason must have turned 18 when Tim was 16.

Jason’s age is never explicitly said after his return. But because his birthday comes after Tim’s, and Tim is still 17 at the end of preboot, we can be completely confident that Jason is still 19.

Cass is 6 months, 21 days older than Jason. Cass is 19-20 at the end of preboot.

Cassandra’s birthday is on January 26th (Batgirl vol 1 #33).

Cass turned 18 in Batgirl #37, shortly before both R#116 and DC#790, meaning before Tim turned 16 and Jason 18. This is well after No Man’s Land, so we can be certain Tim is long-since 15 (see below cut), and since her birthday is in January, we can also be certain Jason is long-since 17. This means Cass is less than a year older than Jason.

Cass’s age is also never said towards the end of preboot, but can be estimated via Jason (via Tim). Knowing Jason is 19 and Cass is 7 months older, we know she must be 19-20 at the end of preboot. However, since her birthday is before Tim’s, we cannot say if it’s passed to be more specific than that.

Dick is probably 6 years, 4 months, 26 days older than Jason (5 years, 10 months, 6 days older than Cass). He is 25-26 at the end of preboot.

Dick’s birthday is complicated, but imo the best bet for Post-Crisis is March 20th (see below cut).

Dick’s age is extremely messy, but here goes. Dick is 19 when Bruce fires him (Batman #419) and Jason is at most 12 when Bruce finds him shortly after (see below). Dick turns 20 while Jason is Robin (Secret Origins vol 2 #13 and New Teen Titans vol 2 #18). Dick is at most 21 in Deathstroke vol 1 Annual #1, after Tim is introduced. This means Dick is 20-21 when Tim is introduced at 13. The ONLY possible way to make all those ages work is for Dick to be ~6.5 years older than Jason, ~8.5 years older than Tim.

Dick’s age is not really said after that, except the vague mention in Nightwing vol 2 #134 that the time around his 17th birthday was “almost ten years” ago. This fits with what his age should logically be based on the difference to Tim, and we can confidently put him at 25-26 at the end of preboot.

A detailed timeline, references, and explanations of what was included or had to be ignored under the cut:

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