I decided to make a part two to this comic I made some while back.
Not sure if its cannon to Refinedtale, but it does use some of that timelines mechanics so I’m tagging it as such. Do not tag as ship btw.
The “burning bones” concept is one I have yet to draw a proper comic explanation for because I’m still planning it out. Hopefully this hurt/comfort comic is enough to compensate for what I will post next. (-公- ;)
We love you, Lama! <33
(they’re both talking in wingdings. :}) Here’s part one, two and three. Two parts back to back boii!!! And hey! This one only took me two days! not too shabby in my opinion. This was supposed to be posted earlier today but my computer froze to a full stop and then I had errands to run.. but its here now!
Like the last part I tried to be mindful on Sans’s behavior and how he would respond to this. In this comic Sans feels absolutely horrible, but he loves his family to death and seeing Gaster’s face like that just freaked him out. He struggles to get up in the 8th panel, but knows he needs to because something is wrong. In panel 15 Sans is looking at Gaster with this look of fear and concern, but only because Gaster is crying.. he never sees him cry..
Originally, in the third to last panel, Sans was supposed to say something to the effect of, “b-but.. he needs me.. if he’s upset, i gotta see him..” But when I saw what it looked like before the dialogue, I realized it would’ve hit so much harder without it.
Gaster sees his son looking this.. terrified and upset.. Like, what is he doing?? Saying he cant see Papyrus and crap! Sure he’s right and Sans shouldn’t be moving.. but He’s already seen Papyrus like that and it felt terrible not being able to do anything about it. He isn’t about to let that happen with his other son. Sans is crying and wants to see Papyrus, oh he cant walk? Don’t matter if he’s like 13-15, he gonna be carried up those stairs whether he likes it or not.
And in case anyone is wondering about Sans’s multicolored dialogue.. just because Sans is awake, doesn’t mean he’s okay.
Acchan #68: Cinderella
cookie run ships that make me go AAAAAAAA
-purelily. yeah. yeah. old ppl. and also flower girl who is super messed up. and boy scout. this is my kinda ship okay.
-advenberry. yee haw. also ghost girl. they adopted onion. yeah.
-mintcocoa. theyre kinda just a simple fluffy couple. not complex and easy to like. if u dont like them id be kinda concerned … only flaw is that they’re kinda bland but it’s not that big a deal.
-seamoon. they’re basically canon so. tragic lesbians woahh.
-stormcacao. what the HECK. i became obsessed with this ship literally overnight dndndk. the vibes are so,,, yeah.
-rose x raspberry mousse. idk the ship name. wow. a flower girl and a guy dressed like a musketeer. im so predictable oh man,,
-almondlatte. theyre so parents. yeah.
-wildchip. isnt it canon that wildberry sends crunchy chip love letters or …
-pearloyster. ow ow ow ow ow ow ow ow. i technically cant say i ship this one since … there’s no future for them so they cant even be in a relationship. but. man. i do love the dynamic… ouchie.
I went on tiktok to just watch some silly Odysseus videos but then I mostly saw people going like "Yeah, maybe Odysseus cried on Calypso' island every day but honestly he had that coming after what he did Achilles and Patroclous/Circe!!!" and "Everything that happens in Odyssey is deserved cuz he took Patrochilles to war!!!" and "I feel so bad for Circe and Calypso and Penelope, they deserved better!!!"
For fucks sake I beg you, read anything different from Millers bs and like educate yourself- And please stop goddamn saying that rape victim. deserved it.
Circe probably didn't give a flying fuck, Calypso is a rapist and abuser and Penelope deserved everything she wanted and SHE WANTED ODYSSEUS
I think I've had enough internet for today, imma go wash my eyes with bleach. Anyways sorry for ranting here, i hope you don't mind it lmao
It's alright. I absolutely understand the vents about the whole thing. :'D No one deserves to be a victim of such a thing no matter WHAT they've done. I hope your eyes are okay after the bleach
Like Odysseus does so many fucked up things but Calypso and Circe? He is the victim. Period. It's very clear that Odysseus is in extreme distress on Ogygia. And Circe wasn't some sort of FwB situation. There's fear and numbness in the language he uses when talking about it. There's so much victim blaming and it SUCKS.
While back then it probably wouldn't be considered SA but now? It clearly is.
Even then, Odysseus' journey was kind of about "temptation" or just straight up "Die or get out of my sea." From Poseidon. "I don't want you in my waters so I'm gonna try and give you things that will keep you on land or just kill you."
Immortal goddesses wanting you would be many people's dream come true but not for Odysseus. And I think that's the point. His determination, how he clawed his way back into the arms he never wanted to leave in the first place, is incredible. Many people would've given up and just started a new life but he never would because no life he could ever create would compare to the life he had before. Even if it's different, it's what he's always wanted.
He literally tells Calypso "I'm not stopping until I'm home. I don't care if I suffer more until I do. I'm going home."
“Mighty goddess, do not be angry with me over this. I myself know very well Penelope, although intelligent, is not your match to look at, not in stature or in beauty. But she’s a human being and you’re a god. You’ll never die or age. But still I wish, every moment to get back to my home, to see the day of my return. And so, even if out there on the wine-dark sea some god breaks me apart, I will go on— the heart here in my chest is quite prepared to bear affliction. I’ve already had so many troubles, and I’ve worked so hard through waves and warfare. Let what’s yet to come be added in with those.”
(Book 5, Johnston)
Circe's a goddess and what happened is nothing like Dionysus and Ariadne and Apollo and Hyacinthus for example. Circe never gave Odysseus a crown of stars and he would never go out of his way to kill 120 people for bothering her. They did not love each other and he can't refuse as she's a goddess.
If you interpret them sleeping together the entire year,(It's only explicitly said that they had sex once so that's what I go with personally.) that doesn't mean he was happy with it! Even then, the whole situation is not what a healthy FwB should look like! I'm asexual and even I know that no one in a FwB situation should have to BEG in any way that basically says "Please let me go or kill me" with supplication!!! The fact that he leaves so quickly he forgets one of his men? The fact that during Elpenor's funeral, he doesn't greet Circe himself? He was avoiding her. Wouldn't he want to get "one last night together" during Book 12 if they were fwb? 🙄
It's bonkers to me that people hate him for being a "cheater" when A.) having multiple lovers wasn't uncommon in Ancient Greece, and B.) the two people he is explicitly said to have "cheated" with, weren't his choice. He wasn't actively searching for pretty women either!!!
As mentioned, while it was common for men to have many lovers, Odysseus never had any listed unlike some of the other men. (not bashing any of them. I'm just making a point in comparison.) He also has no other children besides Telemachus in Homer's works. There's no evidence of him having other lovers other than speculation. (funny enough, I once read somewhere that the reason why Odysseus is so mean is because he doesn't "bond" enough with the other soldiers. 😂)
Does that mean he didn't have other lovers? Technically, Nope! It's just never explicitly stated either way. He has slaves but none were ever said to be concubines or that he sleeps with them. He has deep bonds with his fellow soldiers but that doesn't mean he sleeps with them. That doesn't mean people can't write or talk about him doing so even though it's not mentioned! Just like it also means that someone can write him not doing so as there's nothing that says it either way in Homer's Works! :D
It's fucked up when people say "He didn't try to leave Calypso enough" or something of the like. It just tells you how A.) they didn't read the Odyssey or have piss on the poor reading comprehension or B.) ...you should probably stay away from that person...
With Circe though??? I can understand the confusion but digging deeper and looking at the text, he wasn't having a good time. Or at the very least was walking on Eggshells the whole time. I hate bringing up that essay over and over again but like...I literally wrote everything there.
I also don't like how people take Circe's morally gray-ness away from her. Let her do something fucked up to be fucked up!!! Let her traumatize Odysseus!
Idk, I kind of hate that I'm "known" for this but I relate to this idiot asshole a lot and it means a lot to me that his story, despite what happens to him, has a happy ending :'D
OKAY I WAS NOT EXPECTING PEOPLE TO LIKE MY RESPONSE TO THE REPOST AND I APPRECIATE IT A LOT 😭😭
Now onto what I want to say, it's about what I stated earlier. There is something I would like to address that I noticed a bit after spending some time in the greek mythology whirlpool of wonderful chaos. Although there really aren't that many, I still want to address how there are people out there who seem to get very confused about Odysseus's character and what's what, and then accidentally say things that never actually happened with his character and then it leaves everyone upset and embarrassed which sucks because it's not really anyone's fault, and not many people are actually explaining it all, so that's what I'm going to do here to hopefully save some people from having to go through everything. I hope this doesn't get buried in the Tumblr algorithm as I'm honestly not doing this for likes or praise or any of that, I really just want this to get out there and help others get a better grasp of it all so everyone can enjoy their greek mythology fun in peace and maybe even help others get into the fun as well! ^^
First off I have to state this:
The only canon Odysseus is in Homer's Odyssey and Homer's Iliad, he was the creator of the character and all the characters within both book series. If the one you are reading isn't authored by Homer then it is an iteration therefore it is not canon to the actual story.
Now with that being said, and before I go any further, this doesn't mean you shouldn't read the different iterations or modern takes on the character, I mean why else do you think aus and fanfiction are a thing as well? (And ones created for this story as well because this fanbase is LIVELY) That's basically exactly what this all is except it's about an ancient story. People create different versions, spread different information which is either not what happened in the canon story or completely taken out of context. And these things happen, it's a story all the way back in ancient times, games like telephone are bound to happen and that's okay, no one should be at eachother's throats about it as it's out of people's control and happens with many and I mean many modern shows and stories as well.
But what I do suggest is just applying basic principles to it like we do now, such as:
*If you read an iteration of the story and you mention something from it, make sure you state it's from an iteration so that way people won't get confused with the actual story
*You don't have to read all books of Homer's Odyssey and the Iliad, but when you hear something from it you should do a quick look up about it to make sure you have all the context and that it was from Homer's story and not an iteration.
*Don't assume anything and make a comment about it immediately. I am sure every single person here did the same about something regarding Homer's Odyssey and Iliad at some point, I can almost guarantee it. If not then great for them ^^. But the point is, if you jump to assumptions and misinterpret something then make a claim about it, unfortunately the results don't turn out in your favor. So it's best to do your own research on it first before taking what is said as fact.
Basically just do your own research first before jumping to any conclusions, besides learning more about something can you discover something you may really enjoy that you haven't thought about before! :D
Now, onto the real elephant in the room, which is Odysseus's character. And we are going to be talking about Odysseus's character in Homer's Odyssey and Homer's Iliad and hopefully this helps to clear some things up for those that both aren't looking to get into the whole story and for those who are, so here we go! ^^
"Odysseus cheated on his wife! He committed Adultery!" : This is the biggest one that I have heard, and it is in fact false. Odysseus is unfortunately a major victim of SA both from Circe and Calypso, and while Circe's was more subtle, Calypso's wasn't as she kept him there for seven years. Odysseus was one of the few men in greek mythology who was 100% loyal and faithful to his wife till the very end and beyond. He didn't want any other woman, he wanted Penelope. He fought for Penelope, he loved Penelope and no one else.
"Odysseus committed mass murder and killed a bunch of people!": If you are talking about what happened with the Trojan horse then yes, you are correct, however this is often taken out of context. The truth of the matter is that is just how war is. During the fight they already lost Achilles (basically their version of a superhero) in battle, and Odysseus being the advisor had to weigh out the options between the two which is either continue as is and risk losing more lives or create the horse and not risk as many lives. It was a desperation move, and all of it was thrown onto Odysseus to take charge, but the situation needed to be done or no one would make it back home alive.
"Didn't he literally throw and kill a baby? What's up with that?": Yes but again, taken out of context, Odysseus was given a vision that the baby would grow older and kill a bunch of innocent people, so he had to make the choice whether he should kill the baby or not. Zeus was standing there like "Yeet the baby, Odysseus, yeet the child." And Odysseus, not wanting anyone he cared for to die, killed the child. It was a tough choice that he was faced with, as it would be for anyone in his shoes.
"Wasn't he overconfident and got in trouble a lot? Didn't his pride cause him to reveal his name to the Cyclops? He really must not be a good person." : Yes for the first part but no for the second part, he was overconfident and that would sometimes get him into trouble, like with the Cyclops. He was young, bold, confident, and although said to be one of the wisest men there was (which is true) he too had to grow and mature out of his own hubris. He wasn't perfect, and neither are we, he made mistakes but nothing outlandish that made him bad, it just showed that he was human and had done his own mistakes in life, just like we have.
There are many other things as well, Odysseus killed one of the kings on the Trojan side of war and took his horses but he did that because he knew one of the only ways they could stand a chance in the war is getting those horses. Odysseus's friend Ajax the greater killed himself after Odysseus defeated him for the armor of Achilles, however what happened after that was none of Odysseus's fault, as Athena decided to be the one to drive Ajax the greater mad and it caused him to kill the sheep and then himself afterwards out of shame. Odysseus's even tried pleading for forgiveness from him in the underworld (even though none of it was his fault) but Ajax the greater refused to acknowledge him and walked off. Then you have Palamedes, in Homer's Odyssey he was sent to bring Odysseus to war, so he decided to put Odysseus's infant son in front of his plow which caused Odysseus to swerve out of the way, and Odysseus was then forced to go to war to protect his son which then later caused all of these things to happen throughout both stories. Odysseus didn't take that well and he cleverly placed a forged letter and gold in Palamedes tent and got him framed for treason, and Palamedes was stoned to death (and honestly he had that coming)
Now, does any of this mean I want you to go and do what Odysseus did? No, please for the love of god please don't. What all of this does mean though, is that Odysseus was not a bad person, but instead a good guy put in some of the worse positions and situations possible surrounded by people who spoke with their fists rather than their heart. In fact, despite his "I'm so balling right now" personality causing him to get into trouble, he was one of the kindest, wisest, loyal and empathetic people you could meet back then which was incredibly rare back in those times. He went to literal hell and back for 20 years just to get to his family again, he stuck by his men despite them screwing things up multiple times over, same situation was with Agamemnon and Achilles as well, so he kind up to a fault. He was kind respectful to his people, he didn't care what status you were or where you came from, you were treated with respect and kindness all the same, and that inspired one of his workers to be the same when he invited a certain beggar in his home, and that act of kindness spread through the heart of Ithaca as a whole, but when he left it was all gone. To have that much of an impact on people because of kindness just shows how good of a person he really was. And with happened to Ithaca when he left it, it also showed how much the world did not deserve that kindness, but it certainly needed it.
So in conclusion, yes Odysseus made mistakes, and he was by no means perfect, but he shouldn't be seen as perfect or expected to be perfect. He is a really good guy dealing with getting screwed over by literally everyone around him. He made mistakes, he broke down, he fell at times, but he got back up, never lost his kind heart or his true self, and in the end made it back to his family and got a happy ending. Odysseus was and always will be the embodiment of what it truly means to be a human being going throw the troubles of life, what if feels like to go through it and how it affects certain actions you take, and to stay true to your heart no matter what, and overall to never give up. And I hope those who are out there who hate his character due to misinformation are able to see his character for what he is rather than what others make him out to be.
WOW THAT WAS A LOT OF WORDS, I was not expecting to type that much but I really needed to get this out there. I hope all you greek geeks have a lovely day and night and I'll see you next time! ^^
I gotta take a nap after all of that ^^"
"quit your job"
"why"
"join our polycule"
I want to make a series of images for magical girls who share the same name but my range of franchises isn’t as diverse as I would like. So I’d like your help compiling the list!
Hibiki:
Hibiki Hojo/Cure Melody (Suite Precure)
Hibiki Tachibana (Symphogear)
Nozomi:
Nozomi Waku/Non Chan (Ojamajo Doremi)
Nozomi Yumehara/Cure Dream
Iroha:
Iroha Inukai/Cure Friendy (Wonderful Precure)
Iroha Tamaki (Magia Record)
Madoka:
Madoka Kaname (Madoka Magica)
Madoka Kaguya/Cure Celene (Star Twinkle Precure)
Haruka:
Haruka Tenou/Sailor Uranus (Sailor Moon)
Haruka Haruno/Cure Flora (Go Princess Precure)
Haruka Kanade (Magia Record)
Michiru:
Michiru Kaioh/Sailor Neptune (Sailor Moon)
Michiru/Cure Bright (Precure Splash Star)
Tsubasa:
Tsubasa Yuunagi/Cure Wing (Hirogaru Sky Precure)
Tsubasa Kazanari (Symphogear)
Tsubasa Hanekawa (Magia Record)
Kanade:
Kanade Minamino/Cure Rhythm (Suite Precure)
Kanade Chidori (6 heart princess)
Kanade Amou (Symphogear)
Setsuna:
Setsuna Meioh/Sailor Pluto (Sailor Moon)
Setsuna Higashi/Cure Passion (Fresh Precure)
Fuu:
Fuu Inobuzaki (Yuki Yuna is a Hero)
Fuu Hoji (Magic Knights Rayearth)
Hikaru:
Hikaru Hoshino/Cure Star (Star Twinkle Precure)
Hikaru Shidou (Magic Knights Rayearth)
Cale: White star! You’ll never defeat us because we have the power of-
Choi han: Friendship!
Rosalyn: Family!
Raon: Love!
Alberu: AND GUNS!
White star: Wait, what was that last one!? *gets shot*
Still can’t believe that in a world of magic and fantasy they gave the magical dark elf prince a freaking glock. The ridiculousness always puts a smile on my face.
Thinking about how Furina and Neuvillette are besties, yet have total opposite behavior towards their bestie's SO (say, Arle and Wrio)
Furina with Wriolette: I like to think Furina approves of this relationship a lot. She wants Neuvillette to open up and see the beauty on the worst side of humanity, and Wrio, as a reformed criminal is the perfect person for that. Also, he's patient in dealing with Neuvi's emotional constipation and has a good intuition for what Neuvillette needs. The cherry on top, he's a good person, is brave, and respects the Melusines. Only the best for her bestie.
Neuvillette with Focacchino: The second Furina look away he's trying to assassinate Arlecchino. Diplomatic problems? Yeah, he'll get around that once the forth harbinger is six meters below ground.