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Tumblr is such an... Interesting place. Over 75% of you are white. None of you listen to rap or music that you cannot personally relate to. This site is mostly usamerican. No one researches anything. A hostile environment is bred through self imposed ignorance and denial. You guys are queer but hate trans women. You don't know non-European or us history, and those accounts you only know from the European and US perspective. You're mentally ill but you really hate people who have the bad mental illnesses that make you act out in public or aren't easily masked.

everytime a fanartist makes Joker a tumblr sexyman twink and not a) disgusting shrivelled up husk of a man or b) evil disney-villain-esque campy guy an angel somewhere dies.

Why did batman save joker's life numerous times? Yes he also left him to "die", but he did so knowing that he would survive, and yet it seems nonsensical to save joker when it would almost free the world from a lot of suffering, he could simply actually leave the joker to be killed but he refuses to. Its actually very funny, what is batman excuse to THAT?

In all fairness, Batman has saved the lives of the other Rogues too, when he could've just let them die -- though indeed none as frequent as Joker. There are many examples of it, ranging from low-level thugs (e.g., Batman: Shadow of the Bat #30) in the employ of more major Gotham villains, to the A-listers themselves. Bruce has saved Riddler's life (e.g., Batman Confidential: #26-28), he's saved Freeze's life (e.g., Detective Comics #1013), Catwoman's (obviously; e.g., Batman: Heart of Hush), Scarecrow's (e.g., Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight #141), Black Mask's (e.g., Batman #519)... and so on.

So, what exactly makes Joker different? I'll put my explanation under the cut, for the health of everyone's dash, as always.

As we all know, Bruce has a sacred pattern. If someone is in direct danger of dying, he saves them. It does not matter who it is, criminal or innocent. It's an emotional compulsion rather than an ethical choice: when Bruce saves someone, he's saving his parents, in all the ways he was too weak to as a child. However, life is never that simple. When Bruce has to save criminals he despises, he expresses how much he hates that he does it; except that his need to save life, to overwrite the trauma of his childhood, is bigger than the hatred he holds for all evildoers. (Though not always. As I mentioned in my previous answer going over Bruce's no-killing rule, certain circumstances can stifle his need to save just enough for him to leave someone in mortal danger -- but there have to be enough degrees of separation so he can justify it.)

So, him saving Joker's life, no matter the circumstances, is genuinely driven by his no-killing rule and his core compulsion to save people. It's not just an excuse. Joker knows this... Hell, everyone knows this. It's something many villains take advantage of in their fights with Batman. Make him choose between chasing the perpetrator and saving an innocent life, and bam; he saves the innocent life, you get the time to escape.

But is Joker just part of the pattern? Is it just unfortunate that Joker's life needed to be saved so many times? Aaaaand... here's where the funny (tragic?) part comes in, because obviously, the answer is no. It's one thing that Bruce refuses to let anyone die, it's one thing that he's saved Joker more times and more passionately than anyone else -- but the thing is, he's saved Joker to the detriment of innocents. And this is where his no-killing rule becomes an excuse, as you call it, rather than the truth.

The Joker: Devil's Advocate has Joker condemned to death by law, but because it's for the one crime he didn't commit, Bruce goes nuts trying to save Joker's life.

It's a flimsy excuse, because Bruce breaks laws left and right, by his own admission; it's always about justice, not the rules. And yet now the law matters? Bruce very well knows Joker is guilty. He might not have committed this crime, but he's done all the others before it, and he deserves to die for those ten times over. Why not let justice follow its course, when so many innocent lives would be saved by having Joker gone (not to mention how many avenged)? You can't even argue it's about Bruce's compulsion to save lives, because I don't remember him trying to save every single criminal put on death row.

Interestingly enough, Bruce then justifies it differently towards Alfred and Tim:

Huh. You mean that you can't let Joker take the fall for this crime first, and then use the evidence you collect because you 'loathe mysteries' so much (a valiant effort on Alfred's part to justify Bruce's behavior, tbh) after, to bring the real killer in? It's not even like he'd have to wait long...

So, Bruce can't let Joker die for a crime he didn't commit because it's against the law. Then, he can't let Joker die because it allows for the real criminal to go free, and that would kill innocents. But also, his detective mind just craves solving the case so badly, and that's the reason he's doing this.

First excuse was dismantled by Gordon himself. Second excuse still does not explain why he's so urgently trying to solve the case, before Joker's death day comes around. Third excuse explains it even less, because he can just solve the case, sate his curiosity, save the innocent lives and stop the criminal-- and not hand in the evidence to save Joker's life. Just hand it in a minute later!

And here we have the fourth excuse, which actually goes against what he told Gordon. Bruce tells Joker himself that it's about justice. All different reasons, and some of them contradicting each other! But finally, the narrative directly calls him out on simply caring, where before we get comments from other characters ("I have never seen him look so... grim," says Tim. "He hasn't slept in days," says Tim.)

It truly is quite funny to me how all of Bruce's justifications don't manage to explain how desperate he is to beat the clock, don't manage to cover up the fact he's solving the case to save Joker's life; not to protect innocents, not to abide the law, not to sate his detective instincts. And if there's still any shred of doubt that Bruce is doing this for utterly selfish reasons, this is what Bruce does after he manages to get Joker pardoned literally seconds before he gets fried in the electric chair:

The comic is full of Joker's victims advocating for him dying! Full of people asserting how Joker deserves to die, because of the people he's killed, and because of how many people will die if he keeps living. And yet, after all of that, Bruce goes to Joker's cell to brag to him that he owes his life to Batman. Unhinged! Unhinged, your honor! You can't really explain Bruce in this comic in a way that makes sense without admitting that Bruce is personally invested in Joker, and that's that.

Which leads me to the most bonkers example of him choosing Joker over someone else... Batman: Under the Red Hood.

(Fucking hell, Bruce. At least go to Jason and try to help stop the bleeding.)

Just for comparison's sake. Here's Bruce stepping away and allowing for Jim Gordon to potentially kill Joker after he murdered Sarah Essen-Gordon, but then Jim shoots him in the leg (Detective Comics #741):

What is the difference between these two instances? Why didn't Bruce let Jason shoot Joker -- arguably, someone much closer to him, someone who's like a son to him, someone who Joker killed?

It's because Jason would've shot Joker for sure. When it comes to Jim, Bruce trusts that he has the same code as himself; even in The Killing Joke, after Joker crippled his daughter, Jim told Bruce that he wanted everything done "by the book." Bruce knew that in letting Jim point a gun at Joker, the risk to his life was unlikely. However, none of this applies to Jason. Jason would have 100% pulled the trigger. It's the same as Devil's Advocate; Joker's death was a certainty, not a risk or a possibility. And in those circumstances, Bruce chooses Joker in spite of everything else. He endangers the life of his adopted son by slitting his throat (actually, it's more or less canon he actually killed Jason) to save the life of the man who murdered him. (...Look. I ship Batjokes, but I also like the Batfam and Jason especially, and this makes me feel so bad for him it's insane. Sometimes I think about RHatO #25 and Batman & Robin #20 and really wish I could punch Bruce in the face. I say this as a Bruce fan.)

And here you have it, anon. Yes, it is nonsensical for Bruce to keep saving Joker, especially within this specific set of circumstances, and especially because of how many lives are lost because of it. It's nonsensical because, underneath the surface of the no-killing rule, it's due to selfish emotional attachment. Like I said elsewhere, Bruce is just as obsessed with Joker-- he's just better at hiding it.

This really is just weird ass foreplay for them huh ? Fucking freaks. You see how Joker cut his suit to expose his chest ? They are definitely not slick. Somebody call Alfred.

early stages of friendship are Soooo embarrassing like yea sorry....... it's me again............ i enjoy talking to you and spending time with you....... you can shoot me point blank if you want i dont mind

ok but seriously why is “much older internet friend uses you as their personal suicide hotline” such a universal experience for kids on the internet. fyi for any kids/teens following me if an adult tries to make you be their therapist just flat out block them you dont have to explain yourself or try to reason with them and ur not responsible for their mental well-being. just block them

after 7 exhausting months of being fixated on The Book of Mormon musical, my brain decided it's time to switch it up with some old stuff so heres some Batman: Europa screenshots that are really fucking gay

By Curtis "Mr. Zero" Perry, ca. 1997.

Could you give me any Batman comic(/series) recommendations? Or Joker ones?

(You can pretend I’ve never read any Batman comics)

Man, this got me thinking about (1) the number of extended storylines I still haven't fully read myself and (2) of the ones I have, would I recommend that people read them?? Tough question! Thinking about it in terms of a Batman newbie changes things too... 🤔

Ultimately, my list is mostly one-offs apart from the mainline series, but there's a few multi-issue mainline stories in there. From oldest to newest:

Batman (1940) #1, "The Joker" and "The Joker Returns" — Early comics can feel inaccessible because of their age, but I would still recommend checking out the start of Batman and Joker's relationship for a sense of the longevity and evolution of these characters (You could also read Batman's first appearance in Detective Comics [1937] #27.)

Batman (1940) #251, "The Joker's Five-Way Revenge" — Jumping ahead thirty years! After a 4-year absence from comics, Joker returns, and I just love how his dynamic with Batman picks up where they left off like it was yesterday.

Detective Comics (1937) #475, "The Laughing Fish" — The infamous story in which Joker's mad scheme is to… copyright fish.

The Dark Knight Returns #1-4 — TBH, I'm not a fan of TDKR for various reasons. However, it had a huge influence on Batman and you should read it at least once.

Batman (1940) #404-407, "Batman: Year One" — More required reading (but I do enjoy it more than TDKR). Frank Miller's problematique is more acknowledged today, but as I said, modern Batman stems from his work.

The Killing Joke — Controversial-ish recommendation nowadays, considering the much-maligned choice to fridge Barbara Gordon, but I still enjoy the nuance it gives Joker and the meta element of the ending, with Bruce and Joker trapped in their cycle by choices that are informed by the needs of the franchise. Alan Moore may no longer care for it, but I do! (Also, I'd say read it with the original coloring.)

Batman (1940) #426-429, "A Death in the Family" — Another big event in Batman lore: the death of Jason Todd. It's one of those moments that gets flattened in various ways today, so I think it's important to see how everything actually played out. In particular, it's striking to see that Joker is initially nervous about Batman finding out what he did, and just how Bruce struggles with his no-kill principle.

Batman #450-451, "Wildcard!" and "Judgements!" — Joker's big return after Jason's murder, in which we see he's still not all that giddy about it.

Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight #65-68, "Going Sane" — This story takes place earlier in Batman's career, before Robin. When Joker seemingly kills Batman, he tries to start a new life without his instability breaking through. Meanwhile, Bruce recovers from his near-death in a little town in the middle of nowhere and thinks he might actually stay there… but he's plagued by restlessness too.

Joker: Devil's Advocate — Joker winds up on death row, but for a crime he didn't commit! Bruce is set on proving Joker's innocence despite the clown's other sins, and Joker is too captivated by all the media attention to help save his own hide.

Deathstroke (1991) #58, "Bad Blood" — A story in which Joker causes plenty of chaos, but in service of doing something… nice?

Batman: Ego — As Bruce contemplates giving up his crusade, he falls into an argument with… Batman.

Batman (1940) #648-650, "All They Do Is Watch Us Kill" — Part of Under the Red Hood. Jason Todd's reappearance in Gotham City comes to a head when he kidnaps Joker and draws Batman in for a dire confrontation.

Detective Comics (1937) #826, "Slayride" — Paul Dini is one of the writers who consistently remembers Joker has a personality and makes him funny, and this Christmas-time story featuring Tim Drake is a great example.

Batman Confidential #7-12, "Lovers and Madmen" — An alternative origin for Joker. Bruce has been fighting crime for about a year when he encounters a bloody crime scene that he can't make sense of. Meanwhile, the culprit, Jack, is growing bored with his criminal life, until he comes face to face with a vigilante bat.

Batman 80-Page Giant 2010 (Volume 2), "Reality Check" — Is Joker really crazy? Does Joker himself even know?

Batman (2011) #13-17, "Death of the Family" — Not to be confused with "A Death in the Family." Joker tries to convince Batman that all his sidekicks make him weak.

Batman (2011) #23.1, "Time to Monkey Shine" — Joker infamously adopts a gorilla. (It ends badly.)

Batman (2011) #35-40, "Endgame" — After Joker's failure in DOTF, he decides to bring his conflict with Batman to a close.

The Joker Presents: A Puzzlebox #1-7 — The Riddler is dead, but what really happened? A heist story in which the point of view is passed around multiple rogues, but Joker is the ringleader.

Catwoman: Lonely City #1-4 — Alright, this one does revolve around Selina, but the story is deeply tied to her relationship with Bruce and what she comes to understand about him in the end. (And Joker plays a brief but key part!)

Batman & The Joker: The Deadly Duo #1-7 — A recent team-up that calls back to everything I've personally enjoyed about Batman and Joker's dynamic.

Batman: City of Madness #1-3 — Beneath Gotham lies Gotham Below, from which a monstrous mirror of Batman escapes in search of a Robin. In his pursuit, Bruce confronts not only alternative versions of his rogues but his personal demons.

the current trend of "tumblr users embarrassing themselves by proudly announcing why they don't listen to any music made by black people" is really astounding.

i cannot help but think this is a direct result of liberal White Guilt and how people have interpreted "anti-racism" as form of cultural self-segregation - the kind of person who thinks trying to cook chicken curry is cultural appropriation, or sends white people anon hate for wearing a kimono (yes, this kind of discourse happened). like, "oh, no, i could never participate in this culture, i'd get my evil white hands all over it! it would be more Progressive if I only did White things."

if you're a poc you've seen this, i'm sure - this deer-in-the-headlights stare you can get from white people when you play music / show art / share a story / anything that is Racially Coded, this total refusal to actually engage with it out of fear that it is in some way Wrong for them to have any opinion on it. because they read somewhere that it's bad to use AAVE but the only lesson they actually learned from that is "gotcha, white people are not allowed to interact with other cultures as punishment for my White Crimes. this helps to fill up the gaping pit of my white guilt and makes me one of the Good People." this transforms their discomfort around non-white cultures (black culture, especially, i should add) into a kind of virtue

anyway if you are white and reading this. go listen to some fucking haliu mergia. ethiopian jazz. will knock your dick right off. go listen to rap or reggae or bollywood and have a genuine reaction to it - like, an actual, from-the-heart reaction. you are allowed to not like some of it. but you will definitely like at least a little. yes, you can compare it to lemon demon (or whatever) if that helps you get into it and that's your only point of reference. maybe don't say that part out loud. but don't, like, separate yourself from it, like you are seeing it in a museum and the only polite thing to do is go "ahh, huh, very interesting, so much culture here."