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MXTX Side Characters Tournament

Su Minshan / Su She from from MDZS

Submission 1: Idk I just kinda like him

Submission 2: Look at him having his own life and grudges and friendships and priorities completely unrelated to the main characters! He was so right to curse Jin Zixun 

Tianlang-jun from SVSSS

Submission: Incredible character who does it like him 

["Anti-Propaganda" that attacks other characters is NOT allowed. Please only give reasons to vote FOR a character.]

MXTX Side Characters Tournament

Mobei-jun from SVSSS

Submission: He's a demon tsundere who doesn't realize his human boyfriend is scared and easily squishable. Got demoted from king to cabinet minister during a hostile takeover but is pretty chill about it. Huge boobs. 

Zhuzhi-lang from SVSSS

Submission 1: Snake boy my beloved

Submission 2: I love him

["Anti-Propaganda" that attacks other characters is NOT allowed. Please only give reasons to vote FOR a character.]

Tiān Guān Cì Fú AO3-Fics

Fengqing

are you in love yet?

Bésame

bind

do i wanna know?

Golden Light Soothes a Hurt Heart

hard to reach (harder to love)

I Didn’t Mean It (I Did)

i have died everyday waiting for you

i won’t run from you

little beastie

Morning Sun

Mu Qing and his Cursed Luck

The Chapstick Challenge

The Five Sweetest Words

The Meaning of a Dream

The Rivals Edition to Hate, Joy, and Love

Things We Lost in the Fire

To Trail A Killer

try to be rhythmical

Waffle Irons and Autumn Warmth

we wake up together and you suggest we eat breakfast

where you go

would rather be a headache

you, my antagonist

Quanyin

between a wish and a prayer

cold hands, warm heart

consolation match

gifts

rough

Shuangxuan

a better ending

All That Was Lost, All That Remains

Blessed Beginnings, Blessed End

bringing in the wine

critique

empty waters

even the mayflies fly away

feast

if you can’t summon the flames directly from hell, store bought is fine

living with the ghost magnetic

of debts

On Working With A Water Demon

pearl

returning tides

sink

Still Waters

stronger currents

the art of cruelty

the tide it takes me away from you, and it brings me back again

the vicious, vengeful sea

too good at goodbyes

venues

vermilion

walking on air

welcome to my cage, little lover

your hand on my waist, my hand on your swim trunks

What the fuck one of you 6 just liked a post I made I thought you lot were bots and I was safe doing whatever on this account.

Why what where. how. How did you find me. who r u.....

Shizun! Shizun! Shizun!!!!!!! 😘😘💕✨

hanfu fashion matched with miao fashion by chinese designers

oh hey, its the two most annoying anachronistic assholes on the planet

im sexy and i know it girl look a dead body girl look a dead body

Hello....just want to say thank you so much for your posts, especially, about SVSSS....Can I tell you something? I just started reading MXTX works last year, and since then, start searching many meta analytical posts about them....And most of them favored MDZS and in second place TGCF.... Not many of them made SVSSS their no #1 favorite....And then I found your tumblr.....

Thanks so much for sharing your writings, they're amzing....💐🥰🤩

Can I ask your opinion on something? One of the person (that I found) who also loves SVSSS, said that they hate SV Binghe because he seems more "pathetic" compared to PIDW Binghe (which they loved)? They said, SV Binghe seems more whinny and childish, etc....I don't really agree but don't know how to said that....

Wat do you think about that thought above? Is there still a bit PIDW Binghe inside the SV Binghe?

Also do you agree that Tianlang Jun and Zhuzhi Lang are a few of the best villain characters from MXTX works?

Sorry for this super long ask, and kinda stupid questions from me at the end....

svsss supremacy yeah scum villain truly is the neglected eldest child… but there are a bunch of really great blogs here that post primarily scum villain content! @/piosplayhouse has an ask with a collection of links on their page with art, fic, meta, etc. from various folks and it’s a really great resource to check out some of the amazing creators in our little corner here :)

so, here’s the thing about comparing sv!luo binghe vs pidw!luo binghe. i think they have one major difference, and it’s rooted in how they express their anger and dissatisfaction with the world.

pidw!binghe, after being pushed into the abyss by shen qingqiu, learns to externalise all his anger. think, “the world has never shown me any kindness and therefore the world itself is fundamentally flawed, in order to survive i must take what i am owed,” in the sense of strength and power and influence. pidw!luo binghe becomes saintly ruler and demon emperor because it’s his way of exacting revenge, because he thinks that it’s the world’s penance to him after putting him through so much suffering for so long. there’s no end goal in it—no shizun to win back, no peaceful disciple days to return to—and so he becomes this bottomless well of want and anger, which exacerbates the problem. “any slight will be repaid a hundredfold,” indeed, because he’s never experienced satisfaction, and will never know when to stop. his want is aimless and cold and destructive, without direction to temper it. what is there to be sticky to when he doesn’t want anything directly?

scum villain luo binghe, who received three years of kindness from the man who later on pushed him into the endless abyss, learns this from it: “there is something fundamentally wrong with me, therefore i must make the world my own to become better, to justify my existence, to regain even a glimpse of that kindness i received.” any time we see luo binghe’s anger, it’s predominantly internalised—he hates himself so deeply because even when he received kindness, there was something to take it away. he interprets the common theme in these losses to be himself, his own faults and failings as a living being. but he only wants one thing, and he wants it so desperately that it nearly eats him alive. in some ways, he’s pathetic and sticky because of this—he knows exactly what he wants, and that he’ll do anything to get it, and once he has it he won’t feel the need to go out and get more power or influence. so long as luo binghe has shen qingqiu at his side, the rest of the world can go fuck itself. it was all only ever a way of increasing his value in shen qingqiu’s eyes, to make him regret tossing luo binghe aside and take him back.

but pidw!binghe and sv!binghe share the dna of their personalities otherwise—powerful, decisive, unhinged, manipulative blackened protagonists with generally questionable methods of getting what it is they want or need. both binghes are capable of human stick-ifying someone. both binghes learn to view the world as strictly transactional: nothing ever freely given, only ever earned or taken by force. shen qingqiu is a sacred figure for them both in that he’s pivotal to luo binghe’s worldview, and where his anger is aimed to cut. internal, external. himself, the entire world. and, i would say, both binghes are sticky and pathetic—he was, after all, originally written by shang qinghua as a thinly veiled fantasy proxy of himself, and shang qinghua is notoriously both sticky and pathetic. you can make all the arguments you like, but i think something many writers can agree on is the excising of our own traits and implanting them into our characters, seeing those traits get either amplified or frozen over depending on the events that happen to them. pidw!binghe is never safe to be sticky and pathetic, and because of that he never wants anything enough to be that way. sv!binghe was safe and sticky for three years, and so does everything in his power to return to that.

(additionally: there’s an excellent twitter thread posted by @/zykamiliah that really cuts to the heart of luo binghe’s “childish and whiny” behavior and the gist is that it’s an act. it’s an act to make himself palatable enough to love, it’s an act to make shen qingqiu comfortable giving him affection. it’s an act, borne out of traits that he just amplifies because he’s scared he won’t be loveable otherwise.)

all this is to say that there are, of course, so many differences between pidw!binghe and sv!binghe. i know they’re listed out in the bingge vs bingmei extra (which i won’t have until november, sigh), but “sticky and pathetic” is actually a trait i think they share, only it manifests differently based on their experiences, is either amplified to increase his chances of receiving affection or crushed deep into him to ensure he doesn’t lose what he’s taken for himself.

(also you pose an EXCELLENT question regarding tianlang jun and zhuzhi-lang that i really do love but this is so long already so i’ll answer that in another post and link this one)

jiang cheng and "everything I've let go of has claw marks on it," jiang cheng and "as for love, why is it never enough to save us?", jiang cheng and "and those you do not forgive, you find impossible to forget," jiang cheng and "i am someone who did not die when i should have died," jiang cheng and "am i supposed to be grateful for having survived this?" jiang cheng and "i sat with my anger long enough, until she told me her real name was grief," jiang cheng and "we leave doors open for people who will never knock again," jiang cheng and "you are shaking fists and trembling teeth. i know; you did not mean to be cruel. that does not mean you were kind," jiang cheng and "isn't all that rage so ugly? and isn't it mine still? good god, isn't it mine?" jiang cheng and "if i cannot be loved, then i must be feared."