Why Hunter Doesn't Have Rot

Why Hunter doesn't have rot

Spoilers for Hunter / Survivor / Monk / Watcher

Just to clarify before even going into this I’ll be treating Downpour as it’s own separate universe thus not making it cannon to Vanilla. This is in no way to discredit Downpours story (I love it myself, I think it's a really powerful narrative) But considering it was not written by the Vanilla team I’d prefer looking at it as an AU for my Vanilla analysis ! This also leads me to treating Watcher more cannon than Downpour since it was written by the original team, but it will only be used to reinforce smaller points.

Now with that said despite Downpour popularizing the idea that Hunter has rot Vanilla in no way supports this. The reasoning is quite simple there's no mention of it whatsoever beyond pebbles making a remark of “We both have something... unfortunate growing in us.” which if you want to interpet as we have the same thing growing in us you could say he has the rot, but this is a sympathetic statement. Pebbles is simply (for once) empathizing with something for having a similar-ish experience that is some form of disease spreading in them respectively. But Hunter is a normal animal he is much more likely to have a normal disease like cancer / tumour. 

Where would have Hunter even gotten the rot from? By Downpour standards the rot does not survive outside of Pebbles. He also for all we know is not from anywhere near Moon / Pebbles having been sent by NSH / Pebbles not seeming to recognize him either. We’ve also never seen an example of rot taking over a creature anywhere in Vanilla, not even in Downpour (ignoring Hunter ofc) If the rot was powerful enough to infect animals already there is no reason most creatures around Pebbles should be as healthy as they are. We’ve only seen creatures be infected in the Watcher which also shows insight into what it would look like.

All rot Hunter depictions have the rot be his fur color / generally blend into his body seamlessly that we see in the Watcher would not be the case. The rot well, rots the animals it infects distorting their colours and malforming them. The inner cores glowing the colour of the rot since it is a foreign object consuming them rather than a part of that creature. Even in different regions the rot stays black with only the inner core of it changing colour. The single evidence I’ve seen of Vanilla Hunter having rot is his sleeping sprite which I’ll break down why I do not believe is rot with an anatomy breakdown.

Why Hunter Doesn't Have Rot
Why Hunter Doesn't Have Rot

Their body is one big banana shape with limbs attached on top of it.

Why Hunter Doesn't Have Rot

Tho sometimes drawn as a ‘single toe’ we could safely say that is for simplifying the drawing process.

Why are these important?

Why Hunter Doesn't Have Rot

Apologies for messy visuals. But what people interpret as a rot cyst on Hunter's back is in fact just his hind leg with some unfortunate perspective. What Hunter does when sleeping is curl their tail all the way below their chin while laying down flat on their stomach which is bound to contart their body in funny ways leaving their leg to really only do 1 of 2 things, be smushed under his tail (what Survivor and Monk does) or above his tail that he does in his prite. 

Why Hunter Doesn't Have Rot

If that’s not enough we also never see hunter with any sort of cysts on his back any any other art of him. But we do see 1 other art of him have scars on his hind legs.

Why Hunter Doesn't Have Rot

Considering his eye scar is depicted everywhere since it is a big part of his design (even really fainting on the last pick it’s more visible on the other ones tho) A less reliable but worth to mention thing too his eye scar is visible in every merch (again it’s his main design beyond being red) yet he has not even a scar on his back since it was uneseceary detail (one of the poster arts does have him with an x scar on his side tho without cysts as per usual) If he truly had rot I don’t see why such a huge detail would not be included in multiple sprites of him and even as a small detail on his merch (remeber they have all of spearmasters tail holes embodered / inv's sketchy eyes being kept they don't cheap out on details) So in short. We have no reason to believe normal rot we see in Vanilla can infect creatures like the sentient rot in Watcher. We also do not have real evidence of him visually having rot for the only depiction in my opinion is just confusing a sprite of his for something it is not (some of the what seems to be early art can be a little janky since they were still figuring out how to draw slugcats) We also know for a fact he is not from near Pebbles thus not having a real way of catching rot unless the sentient rot has spread in the world already.

Worthy mentions I couldn't fit neatly anywhere else: - I’m aware that in the last slide him is having his illnes disolved out of him but just before that he's simply seen swimming without anything affecting him and we do not see any growths on his back. which would've been a perfect placement to show it be removed from him. - his death sprite also doesn’t have any rot sprouting out from him which would be very important if he did have it. - This isn’t to say I don’t like the Hunter rot theory but to me it’s just a really popular fannon that got slightly out of hand to the point people think it’s fully cannon. - I also think the hunter rot theory is really cool to explain how he can have extra spears. I’ll admit I have no idea how he does that without having rot. Maybe his fur is just so thick it gets stuck in it /hj 

If anyone has counterpoints or supporting point I’m very interested to listen !

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(Inspired by gr0mm.)

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It's a deployment order confirmation from an agricultural pest control department, followed by a list of several dozen genome sequences.

This farm purchased a specialized virus to eliminate some kind of burrowing crustacean. However, most of the microbe specimens are for controlling the virus itself, to protect the other useful organisms that allow the farm to function.

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Outside of these carefully quarantined industrial ecosystems, the rest of the world was largely ignored, left to become wastelands of disease. Life prevailed, of course, even when my creators departed and all these ecosystems rapidly toppled...

...I can't imagine you cared for much of this. Sorry, little creature.

Rhino Pill

Amazing... this one is a neuro-spiritual stimulant. It records the experience of a moment where a monk lightly dips a finger into a stream of water, and then... his mind is flooded...

...with an astonishing...

...sense... of...

...enlightenment.

My apologies. The feeling is incredibly intense, even to me.

If I still had the equipment to allow you to read this pearl, you would share that same enlightenment. Experiences like these were impossibly rare, and maintaining the potency of the memory while exporting it into a mass-reproduceable pearl was incredibly difficult. The monk likely perished during that transfer process.

Still, the study of these pearls always led to breakthroughs in the karmic sciences, while public exposure to the enlightenment gave rise to...

...

Oh. The enlightening feeling has already worn off. This pearl's probably just the work of a con artist.

You

This one is a draft for an academic publication. It's probably a sham, as it seems to posit that the numerical accuracy of cusps in an epicycloidal model of karmic patterning correlates with dermal organization patterns. It is simply too unlikely that one's skin has anything to do with...

...This must bore you. Perhaps it would be more interesting to talk about you - the little critter in front of me!

With the life you live, I'm sure you're grimly aware that every animal is made of sacks of meat and circuitry. You, too, are no exception.

Like most of creatures around here, your skin emits surfactants to squeeze you through small spaces. Your brain is safely divided across tetrispheres in head, abdomen, and tail. Interestingly, I can see you have an incredibly hardy secondary gut, teeming with its very own ecosystem. Your body is supported by the help of many tiny, tiny bugs.

In fact - if you were to peer within yourself at a very, very small scale, you'd see that your whole body is a great swarm of simple little creatures, living and dying to make you possible.

I don't think your eyes have the ability to look that closely. Mine do, though - I'd say you're doing quite healthy for a wild animal!

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On The Prince's awakening, and enlightenment through echoes

While the throne has probably existed for eons, and something was starting to coalesce at its peak, it is pretty openly stated that it is watcher's precense in the throne what acted as catalyst for the birth of the prince's selfhood

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Never again... STARVING, pressing, grinding, SQUEEZING

against... us? But now... I? A... SELF And... an OTHER.

Oh the joy! The incomparable JOY!

Ahhh hah... familiar.

There was... such discomfort... and hunger. Endless hunger! And then... a presence!

A light! A scent! A tunnel! To freedom! How beautiful, FREEDOM!

A scent. Familiar. So familiar.

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On The Prince's Awakening, And Enlightenment Through Echoes

4 karma "murals", 4 karma upgrades

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4 visits, 4 warp points

Watcher's visits brought enlightenment like visiting echoes would do for a slugcat

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"The highest enlightenment, achieved by the hardest path. A feat even guardians must respect" This achievement requires the player to raise their maximum karma to the highest level without visiting Five Pebbles. To do this, the player must find 4 out of the 6 Echoes, each of which raise the player's maximum karma by a small amount. All 4 Echoes must be found before visiting Five Pebbles. The achievement is earned as soon as the last Echo raises the player's karma level to the maximum of 10.

And is not as simple as just visiting 4 times either: for this awakening to properly progress you must make it to the top, eat the karma flower, then make it to a previously sealed chamber to open a warp point there

almost as if you're opening new pathways in its brain (tree)

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A light! A scent! A tunnel! To freedom! How beautiful, FREEDOM!

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These paths you weave. Through them I have expanded my kingdom. I have tasted and I have become. It is my true purpose I believe. Perhaps the only purpose!

Enlightenment is gaining knowledge, understanding, insight

Perhaps Echoes don't just give you more karma merely by merit of being extraplanar beings with influence over karma itself, or by the insight behind their anecdotes

Perhaps Echoes give you a glimpse into what lies beyond, a window to the fractal layers of reality

Perhaps what is happening here is something similar, the watcher showing the throne other worlds through the paths

the karma flowers though, thats harder to understand

perhaps the one at the very top represents the little death that is sleep ("like sleep like death")

Echoes always send you back to sleep after all


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