Today's challenge: What are five of your most unpopular opinions about TVD?! You may already know mine: 1. IMO, first few seasons of this show and even parts of the later seasons are genuinely great television, not just a 'guilty pleasure' 2. While I like Stefan, I don't love him quite as much as most of our fandom does 3. I'm a huge Elena stan for reasons we've discussed 4. I'm kind of obsessed with Mabekah and Steferine 5. I love the oft overlooked Matt and he's sneakily important to the show
I’m getting to these so late, but thank you! These are excellent opinions and I support them. :) (I love Matt, oh boy.)
1. The most well-told of Caroline’s romances, as they exist in canon, is her and Matt. Every other relationship she’s in I can’t fully buy or be invested in as much as I would like to be because of the writing. Again- this is in canon. In terms of chemistry and characterization and possibility- I think all of them work in different ways. I’m a Caroline multi-shipper I guess? I still love my vision of what Stefan and Caroline could have been. Klaus as the Love of Caroline’s Life makes SENSE. She and Tyler are very sweet and innocent at first and it feels real! I even think that she and Enzo could have worked! Caroline COULD WORK WITH SO MANY PEOPLE so it’s kind of sad that she doesn’t, canonically, really work with anyone.
2. I really, really hate how the show uses Caroline as a mouthpiece in the endless ship baiting of season 4 and, especially, season 5. It’s jarring and obvious and often pretty out of character. She deserved better. (So did Elena.)
3. I don’t see anything romantic about Damon and Bonnie. It’s not that I don’t get why people ship it because the friendship is beautiful, the love is real, and the chemistry is good (#thathug). It’s just- to me none of that translates to a romantic relationship. At all. They’re too alike in some ways and not enough alike in others. Also I just don’t ever think they’re in love. I don’t see it and I don’t think the characters see it either.
4. The show, especially in later seasons, is so wildly inconsistent about characterization that everyone is free to pick and choose what they consider canon. Everyone, at some point or another, does something RIDICULOUS and DUMB and we should all be free to say “that was a dumb decision and I don’t consider it canon”. I’m on season 7 now and it is one giant L O L.
5. This is my big one. I don’t think Stefan ever fully got over Katherine and so I don’t think that he was ever really in love with Elena. The show disagrees with me on both these points (and many other people as well, I suspect) and because the show disagrees with me I don’t have textual evidence on my side in that the show frequently (and imo heavy-handedly) contradicts me. But in a deeper sense the show does support me through characterization and actions, if not in words, and I still think I’m right. Some day I will write a thesis on it. I think he comes to care for Elena deeply and even to love her- it’s not that I think he’s lying when he says that he loves her- but I think it’s the friendship that blooms underneath the romance that’s real, not the romance itself.
I see Stefan’s romantic feelings for Elena as some combination of good ol’ delusion, desperation for a human life and love, and a need for a fresh start- a chance to undo the wounds of his Katherine past with the human and “good” version of her. The fact that Stefan is not aware of this doesn’t bother me because that’s human and real. What’s disappointing is that the show never acknowledges that, though it wrote the truths in there anyway, and so it doesn’t develop the compelling and thematically rich disconnect between why he thinks he came to Mystic Falls and why he actually did. It never explores the connections between Stefan’s relation to Katherine, vampirism, and Elena in all their true complexity and because of that Stefan’s storyline- especially re: Elena being The Love of His Life (me throwing popcorn at my screen: she’s not, you idiot)- ends up being forced and underdeveloped and personally disappointing to me because the bones of an incredible, painful, and truthful redemption arc about self-discovery and realization and growth and healing are tHERE.
I really do think that Stefan and Katherine should have been together in tvd. Yesterday I was thinking about how Elena was the one who made Damon embrace his humanity and I thought that the same could have happened with Stefan but backwards. Let me explain: Stefan sucked at being a vampire, we all know this, because he was a ripper and with that came the guilt, the brooding and all that stuff, and also and the most important thing he hated being a vampire. His one and only desire was to be human, that’s why he dated Elena and pretended to be a normal guy. He wanted a human girl with a human life (his words not mine) Same with Damon, he hated being human, in fact he couldn’t think of anything more miserable remember…So Damon ended up wanting to be human and embracing the human side of him thanks to Elena and just imagine how amazing it could have been if Stefan learnt to love his own nature and embrace his vampirism thanks to Katherine.
In my opinion, if this had happened Stefan would have been a much better character with a real character growth arc and it would’ve been just so fucking interesting. The love story could have worked as well as the delena relationship did.
Also, Katherine was the one who turned him so it could be so great if she was the one who teached him how to make a good vampire, how to love being one.
I also think that Stefan couldn’t love anyone right until he learnt to love himself, so…
And if they didn’t want to make nothing romantic between them, although I think it should have been, it could have been a really good friendship that improved the lives of both.
I got thinking too much about Marwa from What We Do in the Shadows again and how she was canonically making observations of Jupiter and Saturn in the 1200s. Then I thought about how Elena took Damon to go watch a meteor shower, and I decided that Marwa and Elena should get away from all the vampire drama B.S. in their lives and go nerd out about astronomy together, and this moodboard sort of happened. I also thought about how Elena becomes a doctor and went ah, they are both women in STEM! So I ran with that as a theme too.
But yeah, Marwa needs a friend who will actually support her interests and engage with her intellectually (no shade to Nadja and the Guide, I'm glad they had a fun weekend watching Mamma Mia together which was literally the only time we got to actually see Marwa happy onscreen, but they have never demonstrated much interest in science that I can recall and I want Marwa to have an astronomy buddy), and I think Elena would be fascinated by her and her perspectives on astronomy from centuries ago, and they could learn about modern astronomical advances together. If I find the time and energy I might even write fic about it, but for now, here is a moodboard so that we can all bask in the vibes of my beautiful crossover vision together.
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I was thinking about how a lot of people who are into the Vampire Diaries are also into Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and how there are some obvious parallels between the shows and between the relationships of Angel & Buffy and Stefan & Elena and then Spike & Buffy and Damon & Elena, but obviously they aren't exactly the same ships or characters, and it's made me curious. Fans of both, is there a correlation in what you ship?
watching katherine be so sad and desperate in elena body pmo bc why is nobody noticing ts... elena would not do half ts katherine is and evrryone is writing it off as left over damon feelings
when it comes to who ppl date in the vampire diaries the bar is in hell. elena w damon after he killed jeremy and did not know he would survive + admitted to it. caroline and klaus after he killed jenna, carol and STABBED HER IN THE STOMACH AND BIT HER???? tyler being with anyone in general after what happened w vicky 😐. i choose to believe bonnie just has standards and good morals for herself and that's why her relationships are few and far between.
sitting here watching the beginning of vamp elena arc and the blood stuff i wouldn't see it but the way she so blindly listens to damon all the time when she was NEVER like that and we all knew damons blood turned her.... chat why are we not connecting the dots???
ngl the scene of elena and damon dancing tgt at that frat party and just feeling everything and having fun is exactly what i would be doing as a vampire
This little blurb is based on a tvd scene. If you want more of these let me know. You can also find it on my wattpad account. chlodavids. Requests are open
(Draco is making himself a drink. He offers a glass to Y/n, but she refuses it)
Y/n: No.
Draco: She speaks. Care to share anything else churning around in that beautiful head of yours?
Y/n: You should've noticed.
Draco: What?
Y/n: That I was Katherine.. Katherine was me. You should've been the one that noticed.
Draco: You don't think I know that?
Y/n: If only you'd seen through her, Draco. There would be no vampire virus, Aaron would still be alive...
Draco: Katherine didn't do this. I did! I thought you broke my heart, so I ripped open Aaron's neck: THAT is how much control you have over me.
Y/n: And I'm still here! That's how much control you have over me!
Draco: Listen to us! This is toxic! We are in a toxic relationship, Y/n! I just killed your friend and you find someone else to blame!
Y/n: You want me to blame you? Easy! Done! You screwed up, Draco. Again!
Draco: Thank you!
Y/n: You put me in a position where I have to defend you, again, where I have to bend my morals, again. Where I have to go against every single thing that I believe in, again, because I love you!
Draco: Then stop loving me!
Y/n: I can't!
Draco: Well, that's the problem! We don't work!
Y/n: I know..
Draco: Then we agree? This has to end.
Y/n: It just did. It's over.. We're over.
(They stand there and stare into each other's eyes for a second, until Draco moves in to kiss her. They start ripping each other's clothes off and head over to the bed)
Is the Vampire Diaries fandom dead? If not, I'd like to say a few things. Before we start, I would like to say that I am a Twilight fan who loves making fun of Twilight, so my opinion is unfairly biased, but I digress. Here is my rant disguised as an analysis.
I was fairly young when the Vampire Diaries was aired, and growing up I would often confuse it for Twilight, since they were both vampire centred pieces of media that came out during the 2000s. I was a Twilight kid growing up, even if I didn't understand the plot, I liked cool scenes and stuff.
As a teen (say age 12-13) it was recommended to me a few times by my sister since I liked vampires, but I wasn't really into watching seasons long shows (especially since I was watching anime at the time, which tends to be long as hell), so I ended up doing some investigation before watching a few episodes. I didn't like the sound of the plot, it sounded like the beginning of a porno with a vampire kink added, not something I wanted to subject myself to. Girl has to decide between two brothers who are oh so hot, and the reason they can't be a threesome is literally because they are brothers. I skipped the first season, and then the second season and went straight into Klaus and his hybrids because that was the only worthwhile season for me. I skipped a bunch of scenes and episodes, but you get the idea.
Stefan is into Elena because she looks exactly like his ex-girlfriend who strung along his older brother. Elena finds this out but is still into him. These clowns. I also can't take Stefan seriously because of his eyebrows.
Damon and his dynamic with Klaus and Elijah was the only thing that kept my attention. Not just because I was thirsting over Ian Somerhalder and Joseph Morgan, but also because I loved watching their chemistry through the screen, only to be reminded that it was about Elena and her constant stringing of the Salvatore brothers. The whole show literally could've just been about Damon going against the Mikaelson family and I would watch the hell out of it. Any interaction Damon had with Mikaelsons was such a cinema moment.
I didn't find anything else going on to be as interesting, but I used to ship Jeremy with Tyler. Like, why was he so pressed about Jeremy Gilbert? Always antagonising Jeremy as soon as he saw him, that's some fruity behaviour.
A lot of people love to point out the pedophila of Twilight - as they should - but Tvd had blatant pedophilia. You're telling me that Damon, who was turned at age 25, is trying to (and has) pipe a bunch of high schoolers who are 17-18, and no one batted an eye? I can understand if his emotions were turned off, as learned from the first season, but with his emotions on? Still going after high schoolers??? Ian Somerhalder was also 30/31 when the show started airing, and Nina Dobrev, Candice KIng, and Kat Graham were all 20-21. That's quite the age gap. Not saying he's a pedo, I'm just saying it's a little icky. Let's also address the way Rebekah had a relationship with Marcel despite being his adoptive aunt.
Elena and Marcel are victims.
The worst part is that Damon doesn't act like a teenager, he's so obviously an adult, and hangs with adults (Liz Forbes, Alaric, Jenna, Carol Lockwood, Mason Lockwood?). He even refers to the others (except Alaric) as nicknames you would use when referring to children. Sometimes he comes off as parental, which would've been funny. Unfortunately the story is about a girl having a brother fetish.
I'm aware that a lot of the fans love Katherine Pierce, and I must say, she's a great villain. But she pissed me off so much, getting so angered by people who don't even pay taxes. I get that she was turned at age 17, but home girl you could do better. It was also how Elena and the others handled Katherine. Ya'll are American enough to support Confederacy, nothing should scare you. Why don't ya'll just beat her ass? That would've been entertaining to see.
You're also telling me he saw Bianca Lawson and still chose Katherine. Nothing against Nina Dobrev, but I would move on quickly if I saw Emily Bennett.
Kind of mad that they killed off Mason, and there was potential when they brought him back. You're gonna have boring ass Alaric, but not hot werewolf Mason Lockwood. Sure, let's have a bunch of vampires walking around, but 2 werewolves is asking for too much. Could've focused less on Matt Donovan and just have the show be more interesting with Damon and Mason learning to be mutual with each other if it means protecting their loved ones.
Also, the show was just... so boring. The camera quality, and the background music that sounded like something only a person who's never listened to mainstream music would listen to. I was being tortured. It was so mid.
I am going to lay out a scenario written by me, using dialogue that had potential.
Such as Damon going out of his way to get the tomb opened only to discover that Katherine isn't there, therefore becoming disillusioned with her and Elena by extension. Since a lot of viewers said Bonnie and Damon have chemistry (they do, I just don't ship them) I'm just gonna say that he should've sworn to protect her from then on, thus sealing the deal he made with Emily Bennett to protect the Bennett line and becoming her guardian. Damon still continuously butts heads with Stefan, causing Elena to think he's still romantically interested in her, when in reality Damon is just looking out for them in his own way (the typical, hardcore Damon way).
Since Bonnie goes into conflict with her friends anyways, she starts to withdraw from them. As they keep asking her to do spells for them, Damon steps in their way. It also would be cool if they kept his powers in the show, that way he can use his crow to report to her. Damon killing Jeremy to hurt Elena can actually just be misinterpreted by her self centred mindset, because he really did it to get back at him for hurting Bonnie. I might be messing up the timeline because I don't remember things very well, but that would've been great.
Bonnie doesn't go to the Mikaelson ball because she doesn't trust the family, so Damon attends as a sort of spy. Damon turning Abby into a vampire also has to do with the fact that he's supposed to protect the Bennetts. Damon is fine with dying but isn't going to let Stefan die, nor is he going to break his deal, so it was a tough decision on his end. While he does kill Abby she also lives, kinda. It takes a while for Bonnie to come to terms with this even though she's rightfully angry.
Back to Season 4 and 5 and stuff, I think it's around this time that the Originals started airing. Damon becoming more involved with Jeremy is his parentified side of him trying to guide him but is misread as him using Jeremy to get close to Elena.
Bonnie is waiting for college to start, and Damon suggests going to New Orleans because there are tons of witches there so she can get guidance on her powers, which is how Lucy can be reintroduced. (They had Lucy show up for like one episode just for her to never show up again.)
Marcel had a great entrance, and Klaus' went all colonist on him. Marcel got me curious about the Originals but then they pulled a Twilight on us and brought in Hope, that turned me off from the series so I don't know what goes on. I am aware that Klaus terrorised a few witches. So let's say Damon and Bonnie go to New Orleans for a little vacation + training for Bonnie before college starts, and they both find out what's going on in New Orleans. Damon meets Marcel, and while their personalities do kinda clash, they bond over their mutual distaste for Klaus, with Marcel even opening up about his past once he sees how protective and dutiful Damon is towards Bonnie.
Together they must find a way to bring an end to the Originals without killing every other vampire in existence. It could also be a thing where Damon reflects on his past as a confederate soldier and questions himself (this needs to be addressed).
Lucy trains Bonnie and Davina. The reason Damon is uncomfortable around Mikael drinking vampire blood is because of his time in Augustine. And Kol has met Damon, but doesn't remember him until one fateful bar fight. (I heard that someone had an idea where Damon and Kol met in a bar fight, but the idea was scrapped). Also an opportunity to get Kol have an infatuation with Bonnie, I remember that glance in the hallway.
I, ladies and gentlemen, have come up with a fanfiction that I will never write. I bet it's a better storyline than whatever happened in canon.