Odysseus - Blog Posts

expanding on this, I think polyphemus would actually be komari vosa. in canon, she was hurt and Fell because of galidraan, and dooku puts a bounty on her to chooses a template for the clones. she is a major turning point in jango's life and I feel like she should be that here as well.

I also think maybe polites should be silas (I don't have a solid idea of silas' character, correct me if this is super ooc).

basically:

jangobi meet and fall in love before jaster's death (maybe due to jaster meeting with the jedi to possibly form an alliance)

jaster dies, the alliance fails, but jangobi stay together. though, they are now mostly focused on studies (obi-wan) and leading (jango). they at some point get married (maybe on a joint mission that mace Definitely Didn't Set Up As A Date (he did, obi-wan was getting lonely due to boyfriend withdrawals))

galidraan (troy) happens, myles dies to the jedi there. jango does kill 6 of them bare-handed (like in canon), but he feels at least a tiny bit guilty because those are his husband's people (and maybe he keeps having nightmares that one of those dead jedi is his husband)

jango starts trying to make his way back to his husband with kal (eurylochus), silas (polites), and whoever else you decide managed to survive that. silas is trying to keep jango's spirits up despite the fact he just lost his best friend and a majority of their people.

first, he's faced with komari (polyphemus) he manages to trick and defeat her. this is where silas dies, of course.

dooku confronts him, asks him to take a job. kal urges against it, jango almost agrees but changed at the last second. they flee, and land on sheeka tull's (circe's) island. sheeka gives him the advice to jump through the outer rim or something to get dooku off his tail (idk, I didn't major in how star wars travel works).

while doing that, they meet fay (tiresias) who does the whole "you won't make it home (but a more broken version of you will)" bit that tiresias does. she also, away from jango, calls obi-wan and gives him updates on his man's wherabouts.

we're skipping over the sirens and scylla unless one of y'all has any ideas.

dooku manages to redirect him (and the remains of his crew) directly to kamino (calypso's island) where they make a bunch of clones of him.

jaster's force ghost, who has up until now just been facepalming at jango's every decision, goes to check on obi-wan. he finds out about his new grandkid (anakin/telemachus). palpatine is the suitors, but he is going after anakin instead of obi-wan (he may also be going after obi-wan though, idk).

meanwhile, jango contemplates suicide on calypso's island, where he has unwillingly acquired however many of the clones you want to imagine being part of this (the more, the better).

I'm not completely sure who hermes is (maybe quinlan on an undercover mission?) but they manage to help him escape with the rest of his crew and all the clones (again. the more, the better).

I'll figure out everything else later, I honestly got farther into this than I thought I would before running out of ideas, but zeus/helios' cows have me stumped.

I was listening to epic earlier and I can't get a star wars epic au out of my brain

like, jango as odysseus, obi-wan as penelope, Anakin takes the role of telemachus, myles is polites, polyphemus I wanna say is like dooku or someone (maybe poseidon as palpatine), and athena is jaster/jaster's ghost (might be ooc, I haven't read anything he's from)

jango would be aged down or whatever, but him and obi-wan meet pre-galidraan

i just think jango and odysseus are similar types of tragic where they started off these kings with loyal crews and then disaster struck and they became corrupted and singleminded focused on one thing (odysseus getting back to his family and jango his son/legacy)

I was listening to epic earlier and I can't get a star wars epic au out of my brain

like, jango as odysseus, obi-wan as penelope, Anakin takes the role of telemachus, myles is polites, polyphemus I wanna say is like dooku or someone (maybe poseidon as palpatine), and athena is jaster/jaster's ghost (might be ooc, I haven't read anything he's from)

jango would be aged down or whatever, but him and obi-wan meet pre-galidraan

i just think jango and odysseus are similar types of tragic where they started off these kings with loyal crews and then disaster struck and they became corrupted and singleminded focused on one thing (odysseus getting back to his family and jango his son/legacy)

Hermes with his great-grandchildren

Was scrolling through your page and saw the “Odysseus was kidnapped by Paris instead of Helen” art with Penelope. So I’m asking if you could draw Odysseus and Paris interacting pls? 👉👈

Let's just say that in this version everyone is mad at Paris, because he kidnapped a person he shouldn't have kidnapped and furthermore he didn't keep his agreements with Aphrodite so there's that too... Just because he wanted someone like Odysseus on his side and instead of thinking with the mind preferred to follow the heart.

It's a really short interaction but damn this was really fun to make. Athena, Ares and Poseidon joining forces to help Penelope is still such a funny concept to me.

( I might have used some quotes... From Paris the musical...)

@attyhat 's Paris design

Odysseus discovered something while he was at war

Warm up sketch with Odydiolaus 😌

Odysseus, probably: I can take anyone either with my sword or my ass

Eurylochus: I did not just hear that

Anniflamma you doomed the fandom./JOKE!

ALL ART BELONGS TO NEAL ILLUSTRATOR ON YT!!!

Why do I do this....

I finally finished The Odyssey! It took me way longer than it should have, which is fine because it’s lore accurate. Anyway, here’s my rendition of the scenes post “Suitor Slaughter”

Inspired by This Post so credit where credit is due

Got a bribe from dear @hypnosun

I always say that I will never do something like this ever again and I have shot my foot yet again...

I'll go first, I'm shouting out my platonic wifey! I love her sm and I don't know what I'd do without her! She doesn't have a Tumblr.

For her he remains the same

Wifeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey!!!!!!!!!!

Shout out your favorite wife! Platonic or not! Malewives count too!

For her he remains the same

Odysseus while dreaming about Penelope.

Bonus points if he's holding the wind bag!

Yeah but your still 25% because you DID do them. (All I got to say for evidence is FLOWER POWER)

@odysseus-of-ithaka

@true-diomedes-of-argos

I think I might have a crush for u <3

“I’M MARRIED— TO TWO PEOPLE!!! ONE OF THEM IS LIKE 25% PURE HERMES AND THE OTHER IS HALF NYMPH AND SPARTAN YOU’RE GONNA GET ME KILLED.”

Epic: The Musical

Guess who just watched the animatics on YouTube!

Fixations are nice

Rumour has it, although the King of Ithaca had returned to his shores, his throne remained empty for the better part of a year.

Currently thinking about how the death of Polites fractured the dynamic of the crew which led to quite literally the rest of the Odyssey in EPIC the musical. The entire crew relied on this man and NO, I am not exaggerating.

Polites served as the temperance of Ody; the diplomatic and optimistic council who was a liaison between the captain and his crew. Why? Well, Polites is never acknowledged to hold any power in the crew (we're talking EPIC canon here) but is clearly respected and valued by the captain. This combination is familiar; the crew is comfortable approaching Polites because he's their equal and Polites is comfortable approaching Odysseus with their problems because they're friends. That is his role.

Now I have my own issues with Eurylochus but I do think he's written well. And I also do not think he is fully in the wrong. HOT TAKE I KNOW, but hear me out: Eury was Ody's right hand. Odysseus is clever but he's also pretty humble (excluding the whole "I am the infamous Odysseus" but Bro had a right to crash out there). Odysseus does not surround himself with "yes-men", he surrounds himself with friends who are willing to challenge him. Case and point; Eurylochus and Polites.

Polites challenges his morals and instincts - Polites is always trying to ensure that Odysseus is doing what is best for himself. "You can relax my friend" is not something you tell your leader to do casually. It's what you tell your friend to do when they're working themselves too damn hard. "Greet the world with open arms" is not what you tell your commanding officer who you're trusting to get you home.

Eurylochus challenges his decisions. Always does, in every scene and NO that is not a flaw. He serves as a point of resistance so that Odysseus is forced to consider every option carefully. He makes sure Ody has considered the worst-case scenario and is fully prepared to back him up when that happens. Bro was ready to burn the Lotus island down if his friends didn't come back. Eury is the guy who's willing to strike first and make the difficult decisions, much like Ody is. He is a good second in command.

The point is: the two filled massively different roles in the crew. Eury is supposed to challenge Odysseus and question his decisions - that is his job; to make sure that his captain is making the best decisions for the crew. Polites is supposed to support Ody; he is a friend, a confident, and a source of trust and camaraderie.

What makes them such a well-oiled machine is that they all have specific roles and they are good at them. Ody makes the plans and decides what battles to fight, Eurylochus takes initiative and counterbalances Polites optimism, Polites offers ethical and moral support while counterbalancing Eury's cynicism. That is why the crew works so well.

Odysseus has someone to rely on and someone to challenge him. The crew has someone to confide in and a second in command to consider their needs. They have a captain who listens to both. Eurylochus and Polites have each other to balance out and a captain who values their opinions.

It works. It's balanced. It's a powerful type of leadership.

Then Polites dies, and so does that balance.

Eurylochus finds himself having to fill two roles. He has to question his captain and calm the crew. He has to place complete trust in Odysseus as Polites did, but he can't. His and Ody's relationship has always been based on challenging one another to ensure that they're considering every angle. He has spent his entire life being critical of Odysseus' plans because he knows that's what he's supposed to do. He doesn't have blind faith, he's a realist - optimism and trust were Polites forte.

Odysseus finds himself without that support and line of connection to Polites. He grows disconnected from the crew because of it and flounders when it comes to dealing with Eurylochus.

This is seen clearly in the song: Luck Runs Out

Eury was not in the wrong for pointing out how fucking crazy it is to casually ask the Wind God for some help. Sure let's go knock on a god's door and ask for loose change; HELLO!? There are so many ways it could've gone wrong and it has always been Eury's job to point such flaws out. It's what he's always done - probably what he's done for Ody throughout the war.

But Odysseus? He just lost his best friend and his mentor. His entire support system is crumbling, so being challenged by the one person who he needs to have his back pushes him into a dangerous space as a leader.

On the one hand, he cannot afford to have Eury question his every move, especially since Polites isn't there to challenge him for Odysseus. Especially now that he doesn't have Polites instilling trust in the crew - he can't afford Eury's challenges to eroding what trust remains in his disheartened crew.

On the other, pushing Eurylochus away and demanding staunch obedience from him is so out of character for their relationship that all trust between Captain and SOC is suddenly up in the air.

That is why Eurylochus opens the windbag. Not because he wanted "treasure", but because the captain who demanded he "be devout" is not the captain he's followed all this time. The captain who sits awake for four days, eyes following every crewmember with a glimmer of distrust is not the Odysseus Eurylochus knows.

Eury knows Odysseus with Polites. If Polites had been alive, he would've been able to quell the crew's distrust because he would have had full trust in their captain. Odysseus would've been able to trust his crew because he could trust Polites. He cannot trust Eurylochus to have that same blind faith, because Eury doesn't have it; and the crew knows it.

Everything's changed since Polites

It's not a throwaway line; it's what the crew whispers to Eurylochus. He's different. He's changed. Odysseus is not the same. Maybe it is treasure. Maybe he's lying to us. How do we know? How do you know?

And Eurylochus doesn't know. He isn't certain. Odysseus is his friend and his captain; that's a difficult power dynamic to balance.

So Eury opens the windbag, because he doesn't trust Odysseus. It's a different sort of mistrust though - not one of constructive criticism from a friend, but earnest dangerous mistrust of your superior.

Eurylochus leads the mutiny, because that was always his role as Ody's right hand; to question and stand against what he felt was wrong. To speak for the crew as another leader.

But Eurylochus never wanted to be captain. He never wanted to betray his friend. He felt he had to - Yes, he was willing to leave crewmates behind in Circe's lair because he has always been willing to make those hard calls.

Odysseus? He so rarely does what Eurylochus wants to do because they are not the same person. Eury doesn't want Ody to be him (Eury has flaws, but ambition is not one of them. He recognizes he isn't a good leader hence he immediately falls back on Ody's judgment after the holy cow bit) - he wants Ody to listen to him and consider his insights. So for Odysseus to sacrifice six of their crewmates without a word to his friend - without consulting anyone - without leaving space for his right-hand man to question him... that is when Eurylochus loses faith in Odysseus. Because that is not his captain. He doesn't know who it is. But his captain would never.

Hypocritical? Yes. But also rather insightful.

And Odysseus? He loses the last pillar of support he has in the crew, not because Eurylochus changes - not even because he changes. He loses it all because it is doomed to fall apart without Polites. It was all doomed to fall apart when they lost their counterbalance.

It is not Ody's mercy or ruthlessness that kills them. It is not Eury's distrust. Both of those existed far before it all went to shit. It was Polites dying. It was the fact that the three of them were so well suited for leadership as long as it was the three of them.

It had to be the three of them.

not like other girls but it’s ody

It’s an old drawing that I forgor to post so it looks kinda awkward and I think my art has changed a bit lol

that one line in 600 strike animated

It’s my first one and made in like 2 hours at 11:00 so it prolly looks like shit lamo

Also I changed my Poseidon design

how yall feelin’ if I do a best of wives and best of women animation with ody and Penelope??

Smol polities and Odysseus are climbing my curtains 😾😾😾

I made this bc y’all liked the last one :3

smol ody ate my Girl Scout cookies 😾😾😾

That little bitch 😾😾😾

Now tell me he wouldn't do that

Epic the Musical fans: Yay Odysseus remains loyal to Penelope and doesn't sleep with Circe!

Also Epic the Musical fans: ship Odysseus with almost every other character

And that, ladies and gentlemen is called Fandom Paradox 🤣🤣🤣

Mythology readers: Yeah all characters have done terrible crimes

Also Mythology readers: defend to the death the character that drew their attention

And that, ladies and gentlemen is called Classic Paradox 🤣🤣🤣

The Assosiation of Odysseus with the Ram (an Odyssey and Iliad Analysis on Odysseus and Hermes)

Is there no one gonna talk on the fact that Odysseus escapes Polyphemus under a ram? A RAM! The ram is one of the sacred animals of HERMES! Also the association of Odysseus with the ram seems to be blatant and I am surprised no one talks of it! Hermes! The god that is his lineage and also arguably the one that helped him without conditions in his trip...is always there!

Hermes is also called Κριοφορος (Kriophoros)= ram-bearer, due to myths that involve him carry a ram around his back

Also in ancient art, Hermes is also depicted riding a ram!

Odysseus escapes Polyphemus and certain death UNDER a ram, when Hermes, the sender of souls to the underworld is depicted ON a ram! What is more the ram as black of color, a color associated to death and mourning as well as Hermes is associated with death!

Hermes is mentioned as "bearer of rams" and yet a lamb now bears Odysseus under it out of the cave!

Of course the most infamous association of Odysseus with a ram is that he is also compared to one! Infamously in the Iliad:

Secondly, the old man upon seeing Odysseus he asked: "Tell me now, dear child, who is that one. He is a head shorter than Agamemnon the son of Atreus but he seems to me wider in his shoulders and his chest, his arms he has them placed upon the well-graised earth. He seems to me like a thick-haired ram the way he prances through the lines of men as if they are a flock of white lambs"

(Translation by me)

Not only does Homer give us a very good physical description of Odysseus in the most beautiful way (ram= thick of hair, possibly curly and wholly -as also described in the Odyssey- possibly hairy of body as well also walking proud and steadily) as well as in a way his demeanour (the word "ram" κτίλος also means "calm" or "demured") but it also seems very interesting how he is associated with an animal known to be sacred to Hermes!

Hermes according to many myths was the father of his grandfather, Autolycus, therefore Odysseus's grea-grandfather! From line one he is associated with an animal that is also associated with his lineage (to me it seems that Homer more or less from line one shows us that this is the family line he follows for Odysseus)

Then a ram is his salvation out of the cave of Polyphemus; a ram that is associated with a god that is said to send souls to the dead also saves his life!

In Aeaea Hermes appears to assist him by giving him Moly and instructions on his trip. Hermes is there all by himself. Other gods have either abandoned him because of his hubris or were not interested in him. Hermes is there to bring assistance on his own accord. (Hermes is also a rule-breaker, just like Odysseus is not the classical figure of a hero and uses methods that are often seen as shady for the ideal warrior)

In the Underworld Odysseus once again has to sacrifice a ram, a BLACK ram and wait for Tiresias to drink from its blood.

A ram is also part of the sacrifice he has to offer to Poseidon (ram, bull and boar).

Hermes comes to bring the message to Ogygia and release Odysseus from it

Odysseus seems to be completely associated with the ram and it is more than just a coicidence to me. Arguably Odysseus who was described as a ram, travels in the Underworld, like Hermes travels to the underworld to bring the souls of the dead! This doesn't seem like a coicidence in my eyes.

Homer seems to be totally insinuating that the ram and consequently Hermes are part of his inheritence. Even the fact that Hermes is often seen as a trickster and a rule-breaker seems to be connected to Odysseus and his behavior or demeanour.

Hermes is also associated as protector of travelers and wanderers and this is exactly what Odysseus is in the Odyssey! Moreover Odysseus and Hermes are associated with the iconography of the hat called petasos:

(Odysseus and Hermes)

Also both associated with this double-stafff iconographically, which is a symbol of a messenger! Odysseus often acts like a messenger or as a comittee or as a negotiator! I also daresay that he is also depicted pulling Briseis from the hand, the movement is associated with Hermes as he leads souls in the underworld!

And most importantly; Hermes's epithets among other are Δόλιος (Dolios)=Wily, Deceiving, Planning

And.....

Πολύτροπος (Polytropos)= Of many ways, of many turns

THEY LITERALLY SHARE THE SAME EPITHET!!!!!!!!

Seriously guys his association with a ram is not a coincidence! The dude is practically the perfect combo of Hermes and Athena!! The Ram is Hermes!!!!!

Get mindblown as I am now!

POSEIDON (and Jay) part 2

It is from my AU where Jay is the reincarnation of Odysseus and Poseidon is still afraid of him XD

Also inspire by Steven's video and a Jay reel. No me termina de convencer los colores de mi Poseidón, puede que lo cambie.

read thru diomedes' wiki page today and these two are so funny to me

Rumour has it, although the King of Ithaca had returned to his shores, his throne remained empty for the better part of a year.

Quick odypen painting because I’m missing them this Christmas Day

I just realized that my design of Odysseus is so far from what I actually wanted. I wanted him to look like a king who looked kind yet capable of doing horrendous things… and I ended up with a sad, wet man.