I rewatched Spider-Man: into the spiderverse yesterday and I just can't stop thinking about how good the end credit scene was.
It's interesting but let's keep in mind that the phrase "Death loves Gwen Stacy doesn't exist in the movies due to the fact that they completely replaced that phrase with "In every other universe Gwen Stacy falls for Spider-Man and that doesn't end well", implying that they separate and/or take different paths (Examples: Spectacular, Raimi saga, 90's series, etc. ) and in very specific cases Gwen dies (Like in TASM2), besides, we are talking about a different Spider-Gwen than the comic versión and that comics phrase it is something too heavy for a movie which isn't for adults like it's in the comics most of the time.
Still, it is highly unlikely that Gwen was affected by seeing multiple Peters in Spider-Society since she wasn't affected at all knowing Peter B in the first film. The canon event that appears there is likely to have been the case, but until now the name "Ghost Spider" has never been used or made a single reference. So, in the Spider-Verse movies, Gwen's canon hero name is "Spider-Woman", for now.
I honestly think Gwen Stacy has one of the coolest spider names, being ghost spider because it has so much meaning behind it in both the comics and the movie. Even though she hasn't been called ghost spider yet in the movies.
Something that is said a lot in the comics is that "death loves Gwen Stacy" because in most universes she is dead or loses everything. This also appears to be true in spider verse. The reason I love the name ghost spider is because it was her embracing that, a way of honoring the other gwens who's graves she visits, because to most other peters she is a ghost to them. Imagine her showing up to the spider society and seeing hundreds of people with your dead best friends face, only to realize that dispite him being the ghost back home it is really you who's the ghost it's you who was dead in most other universes.
Another really cool thing that also adds to the ghost spider names actually was shown in spider verse, when looking at the Canon events every one is looking at something different, Peter B looking at his wedding, Hobie looking at himself giving up on being spiderman, Jess looking at her freeing herself from the ruble, but gwens was different, the Canon event shown for Gwen was kravens last hunt.
The image shown is a picture from the kravens last hunt redrawn from the comics from Gwen instead of Peter because this hasn't happened in gwens comics. In kravens last hunt kraven shoots and burys spiderman, they were buried for 2 weeks before digging themselves out of their grave. The image is of Gwen digging herself out of her grave and since it's the same suit from the first movie it means it's already happened. I think it's kinda symbolic that she digs herself from her grave, given the theme of the spider verse movies is changing your fate. Gwen being afraid to fall in love because she knows she will die if she does, they could change it together proving Canon events wrong.
This is like so cute 😍
go ahead and let a criminal babysit your toddler. why the hell not
Watched The movie yesterday and Miguel O'hara has a chokehold over me I stg 🥵🥵🥵
ACROSS THE SPIDERVERSE + memes/text posts
So something rly shitty happened to me a couple weeks ago and I've been having a hard time trying to deal with it. I thought abt maybe righting abt it, with a light-hearted kind of twist, just to help me see that things will be ok, y'know?
Anyways, it would be a Peter Parker imagine because he is my favorite character and watching FFH actually made me happy for the first time in ages.
I would try as hard as I can to express everything I am feeling in the most realistic way possible. Idk, would u guys be up for that?
Have I done the meme right?
I can’t honestly be the only one who watched Spiderverse and thought of S1 Kanan and Ezra as Peter B Parker and Miles?
Not the original artist. But I would love if this and actually happen. 
Adorable art by @decalian1 on Twitter!
All other social media platforms haaaaaaaaaaaate weird formats so tumblr's the only one getting the sticker design from the blind bags akjshdkasd.
[Image ID: A set of 6 drawings featuring characters from Spiderman Across the Spiderverse, as follows:
Hobie Brown holding his guitar while showing the viewer the rock hand sign. He is in midair. The background is purple and blue.
Miles Morales swinging upside down, winking and smiling at the camera. The background is magenta and orange.
Pavitr Prabhakar, swinging into frame while manipulating his damru-lattu attached web. He is looking at the viewer. The background is orange-yellow and green.
Gwen Stacy hanging off the side of a building, relaxed while pigeons fly around her blurred. The background is a pastel blue.
Peter B. Parker hanging upside down in a classic Spiderman pose with Mayday in his baby-carrier immitating him. Both are smiling, Peter is doing the peace sign. The background is blue.
Miguel O'Hara lunging a clawed hand towards the viewer while snarling showing big fangs. There is a slight red outline to his face. The background is a dark, purplish blue. End ID]
i have a wee theory about the whole “canon” events thingie mentioned in atsv. it’s been marinated in my mind for a while. here’s my take, yes this will include spoilers, i love this film so so much even after my fourth watch >:3
1. canon events are not set in stone. or at least in the way that miguel makes it seem.
here’s my reasoning: there are some canon events that cannot possibly be met for all variants of spider-man (eg. having a love interest, getting married, being bit by a radioactive spider) these events function better if they are understood as a mathematical formula with a quota ???
i’ll break it down like this — what each canon event has in common is the purpose and the lesson it is supposed to teach spider-man. the universe can adjust and create exceptions much easier that way, leading to why there are gaps where some universes are intact when according to miguel they should not be.
eg. finding a love interest vs an aromantic spider-person
keeping my interpretation in mind what could happen instead is that the spider-person harbours a strong platonic relationship that serves it purpose to teach the same lessons/award them with the same outcome of character development to help them on their journey. thus, meeting the quota and being recognised as a canon event, continuing their story without altering their universe.
2. not all canon events are necessary.
i think this one is pretty obvious but it has to be said. i think it makes more sense for the “universe” to be as fluid as the spider-person who exists within it. some canon events will not be necessary for their story, especially if my theory is correct and taken into account.
miguel suspiciously emphasises the importance of how these story beats creates who spiderman is …
if that is all a canon event is then there should be wiggle room or at the very least fluidity that allows more important/life altering or impactful events to occur and trivial or unnecessary situations to be optional especially if the lesson or purpose they are required to serve there is no need for them??
3. spider-man is not needed for a canon event to take place or be interrupted.
this one will take a bit more explaining so please be patient with me and of course, major major spoilers from here on out.
i’ve seen a lot of rebuttals against the “canon” events theory (and rightfully so, fuck miguel) HOWEVER.
i think we are judging him too quickly, i don’t think miguel is completely wrong but in the same way there’s no way in hell he is right either.
earth-42 is the only universe (that we know of) with no spider-man but how come it hasn’t been swallowed out of existence???
i can’t remember where i found it but when i do find the article i’ll attach it to this post but the creators of this film have hinted to miles g morales — prowler from earth-42 having a key role in the final instalment with them specifically saying “don’t judge a book by its cover…”
now we know that heroic portrayals of power exist, who’s to say that miles from earth-42 is not operating as a heroic prowler albeit with more unethical/violent methods. in that universe alternate miles has lost both a father and a police captain two canon events in one, it is possible that if the message/lesson he was intended to learn from that life event passed that the canon event was accepted …
remember it is through losing uncle ben that spider-man understands that “with great power comes great responsibility” if that lesson is learned and shapes the individual to fight crime in their own way isn’t that them being spider-man?
miles g morales was supposed to be spider-man not the miles we know from earth-1610, he may not be operating as spider-man but he has had his share of trauma and development to fulfil the quota of those necessary story beats, he is still destined to be spider-man. if those things remain intact, technically the canon is unchanged.
there are hundreds of spider people that canonically did not obtain their spider powers through being bitten but their universe still stands.
the implications of the “canon” event theory miguel presents places more importance on the trauma one has to face to become spider-man rather than the journey of healing, self discovery, identity and love that makes the hero.
ok i think that’s all ??? idk, i’ll add more things i noticed and extra points later. feel free to repost, interact with this post + gimme some of your thoughts/takes on the topic. i don’t think i’ve seen enough people discussing it so yea, i wanna create a space to uhh discuss…
anyway bye!
more frames!!
I need someone to talk about this in specific
and this one. too.
just wanted to share this frame in ITSV
I FINISHED IT FCK ME-
I FINISHED IT FCK ME-
So I've just finished watching the ITSV and ATSV because I'm a late watcher, and when the movies came out I wasn't myself. I'm glad I took the time to watch them, although I had to buy ATSV online because it's no longer in the cinema. This means I got to watch my favourite scenes without issue. With that being said, I have a lot of things to get off my chest regarding both films, mostly with the characters.
Warning: Long post and slight bashing of characters and terrible screenshots.
I don't want to be one of those people who hate Gwen just to hate on her, and I don't hate or dislike her character, but right from the jump her vibe was just off. She felt like one of those characters that disliked the main character for no reason despite barely interacting with her/him (them). I know that isn't the case but I didn't like the way she was blankly talking to him. I'm using the word 'blankly' because I can't think of another word other than 'coldly'.
During the chase scene where Miles and Peter steal the computer, she comes out of nowhere and helps save the day. I was glad but at the same time what the hell. Anyways, Miles compliments her haircut and she snaps with "You don't get to like my haircut.", referring to when he accidentally got his hand stuck to her hair and she had to get half her hair shaved off, I understand getting angry about that. It was an accident, and Miles could've apologised (I don't remember him saying sorry), but she's acting like he did it on purpose.
To top it all off she knew he was like her, which meant she knew what he was going through as he was transitioning. Getting taller, hearing multiple voices, hands sticky, and all that stuff. So that means she's aware that it was an accident, and there's also the fact that she pretended to be a student at his school and hovered around him. She bumped into him on purpose knowing he was a fellow spider.
When you think about it, why didn't she try to get to know him and investigate with him about what's going on? She just left him to discover his spider side chaotically. She should know how scary and confusing that is, but not once does she attempt helping him out.
I'm gonna sweep it under the rug because they are teenagers, and even if they were adults they shouldn't be expected to be more sympathetic to each other. But you'd think she'd be a little bit more understanding. (Don't get me started on her going into his artwork and opening his collectable in ATSV)
Now, Uncle Aaron. I love his dynamic with Miles, the true cool uncle. His love for his generation of hip hop and us seeing Miles' taste of music. The graffiti art bonding, loved it. There were small hints that he was the Prowler. The 1610 Peter getting killed near where Miles and Aaron did the graffiti, Miles calling him while he's being chased by the Prowler, and the Prowler appearing in Aaron's home. I'm thinking "Where's Aaron in all this?" dun dun dun, he's the Prowler. I loved every bit of it. This also makes Miles different from other spider men, being the fact that his loved one ended up being an antagonist, and one scarier than Kingpin. There's no "With great power comes great responsibility." instead it's "In a bad person you can find good in them." Also, the inner torment that he was about to harm his own nephew is chef's kiss. Uncle Ben who?
Moving on to ATSV. It opens up with Gwen and her meeting Miguel and Jess. She looked at Jess and said "Will you adopt me?" Like??? Where yo mum at? I know she passed away, but still. You've only had one look at this woman and that's one of the things that comes out of your mouth? You don't know this woman! Jess sounds like one of those women that only talk with attitude no matter what so I had a hard time rocking with her, like what is her problem??? And she's fighting while pregnant... smdh.
Spot. Funny villain, I liked his banter with Miles, but he's a pu**y punk bi**h. He's blaming Miles for what he became, when he's the one that decided to become a mad scientist and work with other mad scientists under Kingpin. I'm pretty sure there's more to it than a bagel. Lesson is: once you become a mad scientist something happens to you. Norman Osborn became Green Goblin, 65 Peter (Gwen's home) became a monster and died, Shang Tsung got Rick Rolled by himself, you get the idea. Spot made himself like that not Miles.
So Gwen didn't talk to Miles for a really long time because of the whole Spider society thing. When you think about it, none of the other spiders he met did, and I get that they couldn't with the exclusion of Peni. But not one visit? Not one letter? Something??? Now Miles has a little short conversation with Hobie and admits that he only wants to get into the Spider society to talk to his friends and help out with defeating Spot. He just wants to hang with his friends, but Peni and Gwen decided not to do that.
Moving on, I'd like to talk about Miles' walk through within the spider society. They acknowledge Gwen and only Gwen, they don't bother saying hi or even looking at Miles. It was like Miles wasn't even there. Never thought I'd say it, but these Spider men are arse holes. I also got annoyed at the way Jess was talking to him, I get that he's not supposed to be there but she needed to chill.
This anger went when Miles bumped into Margo, and she looked like she was about to lose her cool but she lightened up once she saw who it was, a complete stranger. I'm not a MargoMiles shipper, but I don't mind it (granted so long as they are the same age).
So the scene that goes 0 to 100 quick: I watched a bunch of memes and edits that painted Miguel as racist and I didn't understand why, and thought it was like a Millie Bobby Brown situation. Re-watching the scene where Miles meets Miguel I can see why.
All the other spidermen showed up to gang up on Miles.
"You can't ask me not to save my father."
"I'm not asking."
And hit him with this.
While Miles is freaking out at the sudden imprisonment we can hear Miguel say "We just need to hold him a few days." They were treating Miles like a criminal and/or a confused wild animal. And then Miguel had the nerve to say "All he had to do was listen." when Miles escaped them. I don't think Miguel is racist, but the memes I will support.
Hobie was looking out for Miles as soon as he met him, and I love that so much. He knew Miles wasn't like the ones in the spider society, and made sure to tell Miles to be better. Gwen didn't do that. She did, but she didn't if you know what I mean. She followed along with the crap Miguel was spitting.
And then there was the chase scene. Bro had a bunch of spider men chase Miles and not one of them could catch him. That is the biggest L I've ever seen. One 15 year old boy, and he didn't use his other 2 powers until after Miguel slammed him onto his back. Miles was not playing. Also, Miguel was endangering the lives of people who were driving. And yes, Miguel's at fault and not Miles.
They gave Miles crap just because he didn't want his dad to die, unlike Miguel who actively replaced the life of his other self. Gwen was really going to let her dad die, and Peter B tried to justify it by saying their uncle's death made them who they are. Pavitr was just supposed to get over his love interest's dad dying? They knowingly let that happen.
Miguel calling Miles an anomaly is mega projecting. Miles becoming Spiderman wasn't on purpose it just happened, and that's always how the story goes. No one is simply meant to be Spiderman, they just become him/her. It's also funny coming from a man who crawled on all fours chasing down a teenager.
42 Miles. Prowler Miles. Gonzales. Kilo Immorales. I love him already, can't wait to see the next film where we'll see him in full action. I love how we as a fandom collectively agreed that these two would have a sibling dynamic even though we've only seen 42 Miles for like a minute. I love the Boondocks comparisons as well. I need 42 Miles to hate everyone. I need Miles to be full of rage in the 3rd film Adult Gon style. Prepare for double and make it double.
In conclusion, I should've watched these films when they first came out, they are so great. The art, the incorporation of hip hop and correctness of Afro related backgrounds and the storyline. I honestly felt like Miles was a great representation of the new generation. I saw myself in him, and not just being black but the graffiti and finding out that a family member of yours isn't really a good person. I don't do graffiti or art but I do find them beautiful whenever I see them. Also, the Air Forces. Step aside Peter Parker, we have a Spider man with more drip.
Ok, so in Spiderman into the spiderverse, George Stacy looks like a skinny short old man and Gwen's Peter looks like Peter B Parker but skinnier and definitely not in Gwen's age.
Now, in Spiderman across the spiderverse, George is a middle-aged, tall with more weight man and Peter a short, really skinny teenage boy.
How did they changed?
My theory is that the first ones was how Miles imagined them.
When Gwen told her story, Miles imagined her father being one of the classic comic cops and Peter like the ones he already knew. Brown hair from Peter B Parker and skinny and fit body from his dimension Peter. Also, the place Peter died was different from the place Gwen saw him dead in the first movie.
So, that's how they changed. It was Mile's perspective vs Gwen's perspective.
Rio: *hugging Gwen* And never ever hurt my baby!
Gwen: *struggling to breathe* i promise i-
Rio: Who said I'm talking to you, chica? I am talking to him!
Miles: *not impressed* Sometimes i feel like you abandoned me and adopted Gwen instead
Peter: I can adopt you!
Gwen: "So, i get called emo, killer, murder, bitch, betraying bitch, unfaithful and many other unpleasant things"
Gwen: "For the people in the back...
I AM JUST SIXTEEN! I AM TRYING HERE, OK!?"
Miles, Pavitr, Hobie, Peter, Margo and Jessica: "Everyone makes mistakes, you 'perfect' shits! Let us be!"