See, Like, Sometimes I See Bsd Fans Commenting About How It's Weird For Asagiri To Make The Tanizaki

see, like, sometimes i see bsd fans commenting about how it's weird for asagiri to make the tanizaki siblings incestuous or the whole lolicon gag with mori and elise but the thing is both of those things are based on the real life tanizaki junichiro and mori ougai's works

naomi is, of course, based on the novel naomi, a story about a man who groomed a young girl into a westernized woman and it ends up with her turning the table by dominating his life. which is why the junichiro in the manga is unable to say no to his sister. while the irl work is mostly a commentary about the cultural change in taisho period, the siblings in the manga focuses on the unhealthy relationship of the protagonist jouji and naomi. you might find it disgusting and that's okay. but the character dazai is also created based on the real dazai osamu's uncomfortable depiction of humanity's ugliness. it just doesn't make sense to allow one depiction but not the other.

elise is named after the love interest in the dancing girl, but the power that creates her is named after the real mori ougai's erotic novel that is secretly about his own sexual experiences. you can argue that there is no need for elise to be a child because the character in the dancing girl isn't one, and vita sexualis itself is more about the author-slash-protagonist's struggle with having sexual desires in a society that champions moral purity.

but the thing is elise isn't even a fanservice character. she isn't depicted as someone the audience should find desirable for one. when it comes to lolicon fanservice you can expect either excessive depiction of innocence or at the very least elise getting jealous when mori gives attention to someone else. but even her mocking is just that, mocking. we were never shown her returning mori's affection even in a tsundere way.

the biggest hint is actually the fact that in beast au, a timeline where mori gives up his position as the mafia boss, elise is an adult. it shows that the child form of elise is symbolic of mori's desire to control those with the power he wants to obtain i.e. dazai and yosano. it's so much easier to gain power over other when they're a child and you're the authority figure, after all. so when he no longer chases after that ambition, elise becomes an adult.

tldr; asagiri didn't necessarily make tanizaki siblings and elise for the sake of fanservice but it's definitely because he actually pays attention to the literature that inspires him

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2 years ago

This whole Sigma will join the ADA by the end of the Decay of Angels arc is a lovely wholesome idea but hold on. lets be real for a sec. Is the ADA going to even be a THING by the end of this arc? How the hell do they recover from this arc?

They've been framed as terrorists, they're on the run, reality has literally been altered so that no one will believe them, their members are scattered, 3 actively dying, FUKUZAWA likely wont make it out of this arc. And, its definitley not just the ADA that won't recover, the Port Mafia's actively falling apart right now too! Nearly all the members we know save for Mori, Kouyou, and Verlaine have become mindless vampire puppets! The Hunting Dogs unit will be disbanded once it's known that 2 of it's 5 members are actively involved in a world domination scheme. Not to mention the Special Division is in such a tight bind considering Taneda's out of commission and they have to take responsibility for this ENTIRE situation!

Ending the vampire outbreak might be an immediate solution but golly these groups have been so thouroughly destroyed. Natsume's Tripartite Framework is in shambles! And it's been a mess since the very beginning! The ADA and Port Mafia were at odds all the time and the Special Division stood complacently aside! The framework is a disaster! Is it just going to go back to the way it was?

Will they just get their hands on the Book and undo all the damage that's been done? Because that would be imo an AWFUL way of handling things. It would be so unsatisfactory. It would be actively erasing so much of this deveopment by just undoing what went wrong. Do we really want things to go back to the way things were? Where the ada was good and the mafia was evil and they were at odds all the time or we'll just say they're in an "alliance" and let that be the end? No! I want these people to suffer as humans and that mean things cant just go back to how they were.

Like i was taking abt this nawy(hiiiii) but now i really do feel like the ADA and PM will be done soon.

2 years ago
I Can't Even Lie, I've Been
I Can't Even Lie, I've Been

I can't even lie, I've been

Lonely, lonely, lonely, lonely

They say the loudest in the room is weak. That's what they assume, but I disagree, I say the loudest in the room is prolly the loneliest one in the room. /Lyr


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2 years ago

Some important lines from stormbringer about Chuuya's feelings on Dazai at the time.

Please read fully before getting angry. This isn't just Soukoku hate I promise.

"I told you, Chuuya."

He looked up in the direction of the sudden voice. It was a familiar voice, one that belonged to the person he hated most in the world.

"Your birth itself was a mistake. We're the same. Is there really a point to suffering through all that pain for a life that isn't even real?"

This isn't Chuuya talking to someone else here, this isn't pride or embarrassment making him hide his hidden affection, its a description of his genuine feeling. Verlaine who just killed his friends, N who is currently torturing him, neither of them are as hated by Chuuya as Dazai is.

but it isn't that simple.

Chuuya wanted more than anything to slice off the ear the voice was whispering into. He could see Dazai's wavering shadow by his side, and he wanted to gouge out his eyes.

This visceral anger to his vision of Dazai feels...too strong of a reaction. I know Dazai has done some fucked up things to Chuuya, but none of them should be so bad that he would hate him this much. and that what made me realise Chuuya doesn't hate Dazai, he has tied Dazai to what he hates most about himself.

A crippling feeling of isolation, being so far above everyone around you it feels like your a different species (Dazai in intelligence, Chuuya in combat)

Dazai gave into that, and let it swallow him. So to Chuuya, who fights so desperately to stay alive and connect with people despite his origins. He seems like the worst person in the world.

This line really cements this

"Thats just proof that you at least somewhat believe what I'm saying. because deep down inside, you're the same as me."

"Shut up, shut up, shut up! I'm me! I'm not some piece of shit like you!"

Dazai is everything Chuuya has tried to suppress in himself for years and years.

I firmly believe Chuuya grew to care for Dazai after years of working with him, its just the kind of person he is, but I fundamentally disagree that he never hated Dazai.

Ultimately , this post was to point out how their dynamic changed and shifted over time, and how there's more to them then some people think

2 years ago
Sakura was irrelevant so I didn't add her as the devil
How Else Do You Think He Looks This Good Every Morning

How else do you think he looks this good every morning


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2 years ago
I Always End Up Never Happy With My Art
I Always End Up Never Happy With My Art

I always end up never happy with my art


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2 years ago
My Valentine/birthday Arts (curses Everyone Who’s Birthday Is During February) Also Happy Bhm!
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My valentine/birthday arts (curses everyone who’s birthday is during February) also happy bhm!


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1 year ago

I think one element of Israeli propaganda that a lot people are unintentionally aligning themselves with is the idea of Gaza as the main target of Israeli violence. During the "truce" even, so many people talking about how it was a "pause" even though people in the West Bank, Damascus, and Lebanon were still being killed by Israeli forces because the "truce" was only negotiated for Gaza (where it was also not adhered to). But as a Lebanese person with family in Lebanon and Palestinian loved ones, I need people to remember that Gaza is not a state. Gaza isn't a country. Israel won't destroy Gaza and call it a day as if Gaza is their main goal because it's not. It's "from the river to the sea Palestine will be free" because the free Palestine movement is about ending Israeli occupation of all Palestine and surrounding countries. It's not a reform movement about getting Israel to behave. It's an anti-colonial movement that aims to give ALL of Palestine back to Palestinians. Of course, the extreme violence Israel is enacting on Palestinians in Gaza is horrific. it's also obvious Israel is relying on the horror it's caused in Gaza to distract people from holding them to account for their ongoing violence in the rest of Palestine, as well as Lebanon, Syria and the Congo. Israel divided Palestine up so the world would forget it, don't be party to that. Talk about Gaza, the West Bank, Jenin, Hebron because it's all Palestine and all of it must be free. End the occupation. End the apartheid state of Israel.

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