Snotlout Wants Thor Bonecrusher So Bad It Makes Him Look Stupid

Something I would like to point out while rewatching HTTYD2 that I think is very interesting and also not at all talked about is this.

HTTYD2 brings lots and I mean LOTS of parallels whether they are visual or spoken but the one I hear spoken about the most is between Hiccup and Valka and them not killing a dragon. Even the movie tries to make this seem like a parallel. They bring it up even!

“Ehh it runs in the family.” Hiccup says after the flashback scene.

But something I noticed is that it is not a parallel. Mainly because of a few key things. It’s more almost perpendicular. They head in the same direction and they have the same realization, then go in complete opposite directions.

Valka runs away. A key part of her character I’ve noticed while I’ve been writing my analysis of her is that she oozes of cowardice and willful ignorance. Now that doesn’t mean she’s a bad person, it simply means that she ran away and chose to stay away. But that’s not the main reason I brought this up.

Remember the flashback where they draw attention to how similar Hiccup and Valka are? They talk about it in a very specific way.

They bring attention to two points. Both of them looked into a dragons eye and saw themself. Then they both didn’t kill a dragon. They show this as some kind of parallel. Maybe to show that Hiccup has someone who understands him, maybe to add a bit of layering to the first movie and how he’s just like her.

But it’s not a parallel.

What’s the difference in this scene?

One dragon is tied up.

One isn’t.

It’s a matter of choice.

“You and your father nearly died that night. All because I couldn’t kill a dragon.” Quote Valka.

“300 years and I’m the first Viking who wouldn’t kill a dragon.” Quote Hiccup.

Hiccups statement STILL rings true. Valka had no choice in if she wanted to kill Cloudjumper or not. That’s why I brought up Valka’s cowardice. Valka was in a trapped house with an injured newborn and an unbound dragon 5x her size. She was in the middle of a raid with people all around. Stoick was around the corner. She simply couldn’t kill the dragon. It wasn’t a matter of would or wouldn’t.

Hiccup on the other hand was alone in a forest with a tied up dragon. He made the decision to not kill Toothless. He wouldn’t. Because he absolutely could have killed Toothless.

“I was a coward. I was weak. I wouldn’t kill a dragon.”

“You said wouldn’t that time.”

This scene (in my own opinion) is meant to show that Hiccup was never the hiccup. He was never a coward. He wasn’t weak. It’s meant to be ironic.

Hiccup let go one of the most dangerous dragons in the world and it was brave. He went against his culture, his tribe because he thought it was the right thing to do.

That’s where Valka and Hiccups story become perpendicular. Hiccup was brave. Valka was a coward.

Hiccup chose not to run away. He chose to change their minds. He thought their minds could change.

Valka ran away. She didn’t listen and didn’t think change was possible. She held this belief until Hiccup comes along.

Valka’s path is where she believes that dragons are more than they seem. Then, “This wasn’t a viscous beast, but an intelligent gentle creature whose soul, reflected my own.” She has the revelation. Then she runs away and stays away. Now she had her own reasons and I am very much phrasing this in a biased way but it’s meant to show a point. She stays away and doesn’t change much. Because she couldn’t kill a dragon.

Hiccups path is where he does not see much to dragons. He wants to kill one to be accepted into the village. He shoots down Toothless and- “Everything we know about you guys, is wrong.” Or- “I looked at him and saw myself.” Hiccup and Valka’s paths cross here. But Hiccup doesn’t run away and he changes Berk’s mind. Because he wouldn’t kill a dragon.

Anyways I think that’s about it for that topic and I think it should be discussed more! Because if you really think about it, there are almost no parallels in Valka and Hiccup. And if there are, it isn’t well executed enough that it leaves a strong impact. I definitely will talk about this more but it’s late and I crave sleep.

Something I like specifically about Hiccup’s ‘being different’ story is that it actually makes sense.

There’s the cliche of ‘I’m not like everyone else and I get bullied for it’ trope where the character tries to ‘be like everyone else.’ Than discovers that no matter what anyone thinks, they should anyways be themselves. And while that is a good message, it’s not very applicable to certain situations.

Hiccups story is a bit different and I think it works and hit harder than any of those stories.

And it’s for a specific reason.

They don’t take into account the culture of a place.

The reason hiccup is ostracized is not because he’s ’quirky and weird’ (mostly) but because he doesn’t fit the societal beauty standards of his culture. Hiccup is very much culturally a Viking. He’s just tiny. And because of that he doesn’t fit into the mold.

But he doesn’t try to fit in by becoming the strongest or by being an axe wielding master. Hiccup never tries not to be true to himself.

Hiccup never needed to fit in, the village needed to fit him if that makes sense.

Hiccups a Viking in the sense that he’s socially and culturally like them but isn’t able to follow that culture because of his stature.

The outlier of this is the fact is that Hiccup will never have the guts to kill a dragon. This is evident in the first movie as well.

His story is very similar to Luz’s from The Owl House in the sense that they never tried to be something that they weren’t. (They’re also both neurodivergent coded but most characters in both shows are so it’s less about being different because of that)

Not my best analysis but it’s very late and I’m sleep deprived.

“you gave him his freedom hiccup. what were you expecting?” uhm, for him to come back?? like he did when hiccup originally gave toothless the fin that let him fly on his own?? obviously he didnt think that his BEST FRIEND would abandon him for a girl??

how i think the gang is with physical touch (specifically cuddling):

hiccup- will cuddle for a certain amount of time, but once he hits that time limit his skin feels like it’s crawling and he needs to pull away

astrid- not the biggest fan of cuddling, but will tolerate it if she really loves whoever she’s cuddling

fishlegs- similar to astrid, but will tolerate it because he doesn’t want to hurt the feelings of whoever he’s cuddling

snotlout- he loves it, but will deny it till the day he dies. cannot catch this man cuddling anyone, no matter how much he wants to

tuffnut- loves loves loves it. he will cuddle anyone if given the chance. as immature as he may seem, he won’t make any girls feel unsafe or uncomfortable cuddling him because he simply does not care about romantic and/or sexual stuff with them

ruffnut- hates cuddles from everyone EXCEPT tuffnut. she will tolerate tuff, but if anyone else tries to cuddle her she WILL make them eat their own shit

bonus:

heather- is fine with hugs, but is not a fan of cuddling

dagur- this man WILL cuddle anyone and everyone, toxic masculinity be damned. no one is safe from his cuddles.

viggo- he doesn’t know how he stands with cuddling because who would he cuddle? ryker?? the hunters???? i don’t think so.

johann- no one wants to cuddle him.

To the people editing Hicctooth to Hozier’s cover of Do I wanna know is killing me and I am sobbing 😭

Ive gotten three in a row.

Happy Martin Luther King Jr. Day!

Remember and celebrate all what we are fighting for! Remember and celebrate all the wonderful black figures in your life and in history.

Remember what we are fighting for.

Don’t fall victim to trump’s narrative.

he is literally signing away years of progress, soon enough the civil rights acts will probably be gone too

Istg all the dragon riders are neurodivergent.

Hiccup is audhd and dyspraxic.

Astrid is autistic and bipolar.

The twins have adhd.

Fishlegs is autistic.

Snotlout has... something, alright.

sometimes i randomly remember toothless and hiccup’s reunion at the end of the 3rd httyd movie and start sobbing hysterically

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