I Often See The Fandom Conflate Plot Points / Set-up With Whether A Character Is 'defendable' Or Not.

I often see the fandom conflate plot points / set-up with whether a character is 'defendable' or not.

For instance, Ivypool lashing out at Dovewing in one of the newer books.

"I can't believe Ivypool said that!"

"She was so mean to Dovewing!"

Well, while I personally feel like Ivypool was acting out in a very understandable, and sympathizable way, I also think fans are ignoring the obvious elephant in the room.

—This conflict only happens in the book to set up the book's story arc about 'alternative' afterlives. Bristlefrost, who we assume has faded from the world entirely, is revealed to still live on, even if only symbolically, through a stag that appears before Ivypool.

In other words, Dovewing's grief over Rowankit is being juxtaposed to Ivypool's loss of Bristlefrost, so that the book can reveal that she's not really gone.

In other book series, a Series of Unfortunate Events, for instance, the choices a character makes say something about who they are as a person,

As an example, from a Series of Unfortunate Events, the character Violet Baudelaire purposefully writes with her non-dominant hand when signing a marriage contract to Count Olaf thereby nullifing her marriage to him.

This shows that she is both clever, and knowledgeable of marital law. She is an inventor, and sees all the possibilites before her, even ones that would require her to think outside the box, in situations where a solution might not seem apparent.

Contrast this to Warriors, and you'll find that most characters are mouthpieces for the plot with characterization on the side.

Cinderpaw getting hurt, leading to Jaypaw developing hydrotherapy, allows us to learn about Cinderpaw being Cinderpelt, furthers the relationship between Jaypaw and his connection to the stick, and allows for bonding time between he and Leafpool.

But, we don't get much overt characterization out of this. We learn that Jaypaw is smart. But, it doesn't really say anything about him as a character. This follows for every other Warriors character, too.

We are dripfed characterization through little moments, Whitestorm spending long hours with Bluestar as her health declines, Firepaw's crush on Spottedleaf, Ravenpaw being happy at the barn with Barley.

But, ultimately, the characters are written in service of the plot, and not the other way around, like in a Series of Unfortunate Events.

This is a book series about a plot with characters, and not a book series about characters in a plot.

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1 month ago

By the way, fanfiction isn't the place for reviews or criticism.

When you're a published author, it's like you're preparing a meal in a food competition. You expect a rating and to be told what worked and what didn't to improve your craft and embark on your career.

When you're a fanfiction author, it's like taking some of your free time to enjoy the process of baking cookies and then offering them to someone to be kind.

If you take a cookie from the plate, you don't spit it out and tell them it sucked.

Unless the writer asks for your opinion, you can keep it to yourself.

Adding this to clarify, and you don't have to agree with this by any means, I cannot force you to, but the reason Ao3 and Fanfiction isn't the space for criticism and ratings...is that it is a fan space created by fans for fans.

It isn't school.

It is a space where people with the same interests can congregate and enjoy the same fandom.

When you think about commenting on an fanfic authors fics, don't think if it as fishing around in your pocket to give them a compliment.

Compliments are nice. Most everyone likes compliments.

"I like your character development."

"You paint wonderful imagry."

Those are comments that are compliments. Speaking for myself as a fanfic writer they're nice, but they're not what my fan heart craves.

I want engagement with my readers.

The best comments I get aren't talking about my skill as a writer, but what just happened in the story because you and I (the reader) are already fans of the world created.

Comments like:

"NOOOOOOOO!"

"Did she actually just do that?"

"EXCUSE me?!?!"

None of these comments are compliments and none are critical. They are emotionally aligned with the story. They are engaged and with this engagement we create a little community in this tiny little space we get to call ours.

I cannot stop people from saying cruel things, but I can inform those people of the "dangers" so to speak when people treat fandom spaces like Ao3 as if it's Goodreads.

Writers, who write for themselves and offer it to you out of kindness, can decide that if people are just going to spit out their cookies they don't need to post about them anymore and that is how fandom spaces die.

If you don't like the flavor of cookie they made, or you're allergic to one of its ingredients...don't eat the cookie. Put it back for someone else to enjoy and then go find the flavor you do like.


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2 weeks ago

Ok, about Leopardfoot. Jake suggests that Pinestar has a friend in Leopardpaw whom he regularly mentions.

This is not, and I repeat, not specifying or implying that he, Pinestar, has a crush on her. Yes, as Leopardfoot, she and Pinestar have Tigerkit together.

But, I don't think, truly, that the intention is to imply they have anything going on with eachother, at that point.


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2 weeks ago

I will say this.

Personally, I don't think Dustpelt x Ferncloud is a problematic canon ship, or a bad canon ship.

I think they're cute together, and I see no reason to make excuses for or about the Erin's sensibilities back then vs now.

You should be able to ship whatever you want without fear of saying so— and I think if people are afraid to do that, in the fandom, then it says more about the fandom itself then it does about the morality of the ship.


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1 month ago

Hi! (Just wanted to say hi)

Hello! :D

Hi! (Just Wanted To Say Hi)

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1 month ago
I've Never Read WoF, I Have No Idea Why I'm Here, Anyway Here's Me As A Dragon, Lol. I Think The Snowy

I've never read WoF, I have no idea why I'm here, anyway here's me as a dragon, lol. I think the snowy ones are called Icewings, so her name is Shard.

Her horns are sharp and shiny. She breathes ice breath and guards a secret door at the bottom of a dark cavern that has a lot of gold behind it.


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5 days ago

Have you heard of the Proteus effect?

2 weeks ago

Hi!!! If you were a warrior cat, what would your name be? :3

Hiii! Thank you for asking! :D

Not sure! I'm very indecisive! Maybe, like, Whitefeather or Runningfoot!


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