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maybe it isn’t healthy for kids in this fandom to hear almost everyone dismiss sh as ‘just for attention’??

sometimes I remember the fact that c!quackity canonically brought shears with him to pandoras vault and I have to go and lie down

some dictionary definitions to review:

Abuse

Torture

Manipulation

Felonies

Morals

Sympathiser

Apologist

Justify

Excuse

Explain

dsmp lore fans learn what words mean challenge

dsmp lore fans learn what words mean challenge

what if after pandoras vault c!dream develops agoraphobia.

C!techno had teased him for not having a house for so long, and now he can barely even leave his room.

c!dreams actions are bad enough on their own,, you don’t need to make shit up!!

when will people stop saying that c!dream is manipulating c!ranboo,,

i refuse to use the tags/terms ‘apologist’ or ‘sympathiser’ because no one knows what the fuck they even mean

So many people argue that c!dream being imprisoned and tortured is best for c!tommy... is it really? Surely the most reassuring thing for him would be knowing that his abuser has been rehabilitated and no liber want to hurt him? Instead he just lives everyday unsure if c!dream will escape and hurt him again. Perpetuating the cycle of violence, focusing on the punishment of crimes rather then the prevention of them future ones, hurts everybody, including c!tommy.

There are two wolves inside me,,,,, one wants to explain why i feel a certain way abt a dsmp character by providing irl examples; the other wants to tell everyone to fuck off and that I don’t need to justify my feelings abt fictional characters (or anyone, rly)

After pandoras vault, c!dream can’t be around clocks anymore; not without falling into a dissociative state, convinced he once again has nothing but the endless ticking to keep him sane

the fact I’m currently typing up a whole research document in order to defend c!dream,, I’m most definitely waay too invested

thinking abt c!dream avoiding one half of the cell, and staying close to the lava. c!techno finally asks him what’s wrong, and him haltingly explaining that c!quackity held his head underwater whenever he got bored of using weapons, and now he can’t go near the sink.

With C!dream claiming to be a god, there are three options.

He’s telling the truth (which is a definite possibly when taking into account c!dreamxd), he’s lying, or he genuinely believes it.

If he’s lying, he was quite literally dehumanising himself. He was trying to make other people see him as a just a threat, instead of a person. It would also serve as a way to purge himself of his attachments, after all, what deity cares about mere humans?

But if he genuinely believed it, that is a delusion of grandeur, and should be taken seriously. It can be a feature of mania or psychosis, and can be extremely dangerous. (C!dream does not necessarily have either of these conditions, but it is concerning nonetheless)

I can make it worse- is dying of old age a thing in minecraft? Because we don’t know if c!dream can commit suicide to bring about a canon death, so did he ever wonder if he would just be left there? That everyone on the server would leave, that he would be forgotten or intentionally left behind. Doomed to spend eternity locked in pandoras vault. Without having even a clock to keep him company, because he’d destroyed it in a desperate ploy for human interaction. I make myself sad sometimes

currently wondering what the longest time c!dream went without human contact was

currently wondering what the longest time c!dream went without human contact was

‘C!dream is a master manipulator!’

Is he really though?? He managed to get himself locked in a literal torture vault?? He didn’t realise punz was going to betray him, he alienated all of his allies.

Either c!dream isn’t great at the whole manipulation thing, or some of that was intentional

I’ve seen a lot of people say that c!dreams behaviour in pandoras vault is him ‘manipulating’ everyone, and whilst I personally don’t think so, I wouldn’t care if he was. Even if he is altering his demeanour to illicit sympathy- it’s for the goal of avoiding torture? So many of c!dreams actions are unjustifiable, but that is most certainly not one of them.

If during exile, c!tommy had been lying to his visitors or to c!dream with the end goal of securing his freedom, that would be 100% understandable. If his suicidal ideation had been an act to bring about the end of exile, these actions would have been seen as clever, as a smart tactic c!tommy was utilising. Most people would see this manipulation as a way of escaping his abuser.

In addition, if someone is self harming ‘for attention’, it still counts as self harm and needs to be taken seriously. The fact that c!dream is in such a desperate situation that he has committed suicide multiple times is extremely worrying-regardless of any other outcomes he is attempting to achieve.

c!tommy has flaws ≠ he deserves abuse.

C!dream antis often end up weirdly pro c!dream??? If he truly is a ‘monster incapable of empathy’ I find him less responsible. Whereas if he cared about people, understood their feelings, and hurt them regardless? That makes his actions so much worse.

I have a love hate relationship with the name pandoras vault.

On the one hand it’s so cool! My first thought when hearing it was that it’s so clever, and I love mythology references (plus the continuation with ‘Theseus’ is rly nice)

But it also does the exact same thing that the fandom does to c!dream. The metaphor of the name directly compares him to the embodiment of all evil; and suggests that anyone who lets him out would be a fool, who is putting everyone else in grave danger. The contents of the original pandoras box weren’t people capable of change, they were instead concepts.

Anytime someone dehumanises c!dream I love him even more out of spite

I need someone to edit that one community meme so it says ‘i can excuse torture but i draw the line at manipulation’

normalise absolutely refusing to use the queue feature,,, yall are getting 5 posts in 20 minutes

‘C!dream doesn’t like c!techno! He’s just using him!’ - what???? He literally stood up to his torturer for c!techno??

c!dream was proven right about attachments; over and over again

Fandom critical-

I think some c!tommy apologists who are also c!dream antis don’t think ANYONE is allowed to like morally grey characters. In order to like c!tommy, they feel as though he can’t have any flaws. That if he’s both a bit of a dick sometimes and still their favourite character, it’s a moral failing on their part. And if they have to make c!tommy perfect in order to like him, how can they let others appreciate c!dream?

this is very much subjective- and informed by own journey of dealing with abuse. I hope this makes sense, and I am very much open to other (respectful) opinions.

~The ‘revenge fantasy’ is a storyline I am somewhat sick of seeing! If someone finds them cathartic or helpful, that is wonderful; and everyone is allowed to have different relationships with media. I just want to see other story lines, for a number of reasons.

‘Getting even’ with ones abuser/s isn’t always feasible. Whether through legal means, or taking matters into your own hands, victims/survivors don’t always have that ability. The statistics on SA show this very clearly- the rate of convictions is appallingly low. For many, their abuser may pass away before ever facing the consequences of their actions. In addition, people don’t always want justice/revenge. In many ways, leaving no space for your abuser is the most helpful thing to do. Others may not find revenge satisfying. Especially after the focus and limelight in media, the actual emotional impact maybe somewhat of a letdown. One persons suffering does not erase anothers. Seeing ones abuser be hurt, it doesn’t undo the damage they’ve done, nor does it necessarily stop them from hurting others in the future.

I am also not talking about measures taken that prevent anymore people being hurt, that ensure abusers won’t have anymore victims. There are absolutely some people whose freedom must be taken away for the safety of others. But I will always be more in favour of options that work to rehabilitate. My veiw on the application of the prison system is that it should be about protecting people, not punishing them. I am far more interested in a narrative that centres solely around recovery, around someone rebuilding their life and relationships with no room for the person who hurt them. That makes clear that the abuser was a big part of their past, but won’t be a big part of their present or future.

Let me make this clear- I am not saying that getting justice is bad. I am saying that it is not essential.

Storylines of revenge 100% have their place, but framing them as an essential step in the healing process is not helpful.

thinking abt critiquing the entire existence of the revenge trope as it pertains to pandoras vault,, someone hype me up i need the confidence boost

People need to learn what ‘human rights’ actually are. The whole point is they are inalienable. No matter what atrocities someone commits, they should never be taken away.

Human rights are not a privilege.

How did I just see someone only care abt the conditions in pandoras vault because of c!tommy being in there??? I hate twitter so much oh my goodness.