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Begging antis to stop acting like mentally ill people are stupid or that all mental illness is the same.

"But- but so many proshippers are mentally ill! They won't be able to tell the difference between reality and fiction!" And then it's just a 30 year old with depression.

Literally had someone say that darkshippers are all as mentally ill as the girls in the slenderman stabbing so it's just a matter of time. Bitch that's untreated schizophrenia in neglected children. Not just any mental illness. There were many elements at play there.

girls who say kyaa

people being like 'i love gross toxic awful ships, hnnggg.' their post blowing up, then them being like 'the proshitters have found this ewwwwww go away.' brother... im gonna need you to be so for real right now 💀

"you're romanticize-"

me af

i'll never get over how badly people who want to come up with ideas of how tcoaal can be "better" or "fixed" miss the points of anything.

like the other day on twitter i see this thing like. "THIS INCEST SHIT SUUUCKS IT SHOULD JUST BE ABOUT TWO SIBLINGS WHO JUST EAT ALL THE PEOPLE THEY DON'T LIKE" and it's like. oooh who’s an edgy boy yes you are oooh what a hot take your statements are so controversial what an edgy boy

and the other day like, some of my friends show me this tcoaal rewrite that involves a big sister Ashley (i only saw this post once and don't remember it well). different mom that's an entirely different shade of abusive and a whole different kind of trauma put into Ashley who wants to be a boxer now in defiance of how she was raised and i'm like... why does this have to be a tcoaal rewrite? you've created a genuinely really interesting concept... just tweak it to remove tcoaal from it's DNA entirely and you have this super solid original story idea. and i'm just here like... it's just so annoying. you have this fantastic idea for something original, why do you need to bill it as what makes canon better?

like, it's fine. it's fine to not like the incest. as much asi like to make fun of antis, there ARE genuine fans of this game that aren't really big on coffincest but like everything else- but at least THEY still acknowledge the incest is an important part of the story's DNA and it's themes, so even if they're not in it to ship it they're still here to enjoy the story.

it's always so boggling to me. granted, i've always hated fix fics- i'm totally fine with radical AUs and rewrites, but maybe it's just my personal gripes of "haha i FIXED canon it's better now >:)" like... i can appreciate a fix fic like "oh this character didn't die bc i think it's dumb" but then these are people who fundamentally don't understand what they're trying to "fix."

and like i know. antis are antis. antis always do this. but it's like... man. why can't people just say they don't like a thing bc it's not their cup of tea instead of wanting to "fix" it in a way that ruins it???

istg i'll see ppl say shit like "im fine with media depicting abuse/rape/whatever as long as it isnt glorifying/romanticizing it" then turn around and say cannibalism is a metaphor for love and that murder conveys devotion. i hate to inform you but youre romanticizing violence

An aspect of Andrew and Ashley’s relationship as kids I’m very interested in is that, when you read between the lines, they actually care about each other quite a bit.

On Leyley’s birthday, after she rants about how birthdays are “all nonsense anyway” and ends said rant with “who cares,” Andy responds that he does. In turn, Leyley is shown to have genuinely appreciated his willingness to celebrate it, as she made a drawing of that day and kept it with her until adolescence.

Prior to that, Leyley notably doesn’t make a fuss when she recognizes Andy can’t afford a cake. She also states she went along with Andy choosing the lemon muffins because she thought he wanted them.

In the flashback about Leyley’s suspension from school, she’s displeased that Andy’s cooked her “the same crap” again but quietly eats it anyway. This, in conjunction with the previous point, suggests that as much of a brat as she is, she does (in a way) understand that Andy is trying his best to look after her.

Leyley appears concerned for Andy as he breaks down at the grandparents’ house and asks him if he’s okay. When he asks her if she wants to be friends, she replies “I thought we already were.”

In the abstract segment within Andy’s subconscious at the start of 3A, his family is represented by ghosts. At one point, the player is given a choice - either Andy gets yelled at by his teacher, his mother, or Pink Ghost/Leyley. When he takes away Pink Ghost’s coloring pencils, her reaction is a quiet expression of sadness as opposed to a roar.

The same segment also contains a similarly abstract “family portrait.” Renee’s Lime Ghost is the one depicted as angry - Pink Ghost, contrary to expectation, is depicted as sad.

I find the last two points particularly noteworthy. Leyley’s external belligerence doesn’t seem to leave as visceral of an impression on Andy as the underlying reasons for it.

Everyone else sees a helion. He sees a heartbroken little girl.

Real #1 fans of characters sexualize their favs. 💋💋💋

thinking about how Leyley is initially happy to have her birthday celebrated but then does a complete 180° and goes into a rant about how birthdays are "fucking stupid" and "nonsense" and no one cares specifically right after Andy mentions asking their mother for something

"omg u cant ship them, theyre related!!" "omg you cant say theyre related, theyre step-family!!"

YOURE TEARING THIS FAMILY APART

i love it when characters are unfair, actually. i love it when they’re uncouth and cranky and hypocritical, i love it when they have cognitive dissonances, i love it when they make good and bad choices for the wrong reasons. i love when they’re short to anger and hard to understand. i love it when they’ve destroyed themselves for nothing but can’t even see either part of it yet. i love it when they’re messy and selfish and bad at communicating. i love it when they get convinced of their own ego and stuck in a feedback loop regarding their own warped paranoia. i love it when characters actively make their lives unknowingly harder for themselves. i love it when characters don’t know they’re in a story. i love it when characters are like real people

🤍Etihw & Kcalb🖤

25/03/25

YOU!! YES, YOU!! GO WRITE THAT FANFIC YOU THINK NOBODY BUT YOU WILL READ!!

pre game miu ohhhhgg...

thought i’d add my two cents to the “is andrew a sadist?” discussion going on from a sadist’s perspective. andrew displays very strong and consistent sadistic tendencies, but understanding those requires understanding what the source of that gratification is. it is, of course, power, and everything in andrew’s life revolves around it.

most tend to think of sadism as exclusively sexual and the plain polar opposite of masochism— which, granted, it often is for people whose sadism is limited to the confines of the bedroom. when it isn’t, however, i wouldn’t say that’s particularly accurate. sadism in the paraphilic sense is just a psychological association between sexual pleasure and seeing others in pain that develops gradually when you get off enough times to that specific stimuli. your brain’s reward system now associates it with the rush of dopamine you get when you bust a nut. congrats, you’ve pavlov’d yourself into a fetish. this is not more innate than jacking it to footjobs on the daily and then getting aroused when you see feet.

i can’t relate to the exclusively kinky flavor of sadism myself, and i wouldn’t consider people for whom it is only a kink true sadists. for people with a sadistic personality, the gratification is emotional, sometimes exclusively so with no sexual component to it, and even with that component, the sexual arousal is secondary. no matter how many wires get crossed between how the sadism actually manifests and the core of that desire or need, the motivation is almost always vengeance and punishment for a perceived crime, projected onto whoever is seen as deserving of that punishment.

andrew sure as hell wants to avenge himself. that’s a recognizable pattern in his thought processes and behavior.

i saw his behavior towards ashley being used as a reference point here, but i personally do not see andrew’s sadistic tendencies applying to ashley— on the contrary, she’s the one person i’d say is exempt from his sadistic inclinations, who he instead feels mental discomfort when he’s causing her harm. his internal conflict shuts his sadism down instantly when he has thoughts along those lines, when he feels a desire to hurt her, because the sense of fulfillment he finds in being her one source of safety, comfort and happiness is stronger than acting on any sadistic desire would be. that’s where he gets his sense of purpose, his reason for living, and the two desires are naturally completely incompatible.

when andrew reflects on his lack of regret over murdering the warden, he admits that he only regrets not killing him slower and making him suffer, deriving pleasure from it, rather than hacking him up impulsively out of necessity to defend and protect his sister. why? the guy supposedly leered at ashley, looked at her as a potential sexual conquest, and for that, andrew would certainly gouge your eyes out and scrape out your eye sockets with a rusty spoon, and he’d savor every moment. my point: every other murder he commits is a stark contrast to the manner in which he kills ashley. he does this with tenderness and bitter sadness, her death pains him so unbearably much that he commits suicide the moment she is gone and dead in his arms, and he makes sure her death is quick and painless and that she doesn’t suffer. and to andrew, this is a loving act of mercy.

this deep love and care for her is not his sole motivator here, we’re not gonna do him the favor of pretending otherwise, he has utterly selfish motives as well, but andrew cannot stand the thought of abandoning ashley, so if he dies, she will have to die with him. in his mind, he needs to spare her from living without him even for a second, save her from the agony she would feel when he is gone and she’s alone in the world without her brother. if he kills her, he won’t have to leave her, and he could never, ever be the one to make his sister’s deepest fear into a horrifying reality. incomprehensible logic if you do not think like andrew does, but he’s not exactly sane.

as for the reactive abuse he inflicts on ashley, it does undeniably feel good to him in the heat of the moment, but it’s not sadistic gratification. it’s a wholly different emotional response. it’s relief from the extremely distressing feeling of powerlessness, the result of ashley relentlessly robbing him of any control until he feels small, helpless and cornered. perceived powerlessness induces panic, it suffocates him, and he lashes out accordingly with explosively excessive aggression when he’s triggered. he takes his power and control violently, whether this is when ashley pushes him so far with her abuse of him that he responds with violent reactive abuse, or when the woman in 302 attempts to retake control over the situation by lunging for the nail gun. the latter may look like self-defense, but only if you don’t know that andrew graves is a pathological liar.

the narrator generously informs us that andrew snapped and stabbed the woman in 302 way, way more times than is needed to kill a person, that he kept going until he felt satisfied even after she clearly stopped breathing, because the “dumb bitch” had the gall to think he was stupid and embarrass him.

to andrew, she insulted him, she deserved it, and it felt good and right to stab the fuck out of her for it. if the circumstances he found himself in simply made her death inevitable, if this was only a necessary evil to eliminate all witnesses, there was certainly no need for andrew to mutilate her.

but here we are. in the flashback to his point of view in apartment 302, we see the undeniable gratification he gets from power and control before the murder when he has the knife to her throat and she is entirely at his mercy, her life is in his hands, when she’s scared of him, and we see it again in the grand finale and act itself when he throws her onto the bed and stabs her to death without a second of hesitation. which he does when she shows that she is not as afraid of him as she should be— as andrew wants her to be. to andrew, fearing him is respecting him, and she was stupid enough to disrespect him when he’s holding a knife.

now this woman is just like ashley. andrew goes fucking batshit, sees red and snaps like a rubber band wound too tight, and the parallel here is clear as day to me given how we saw ashley treat him just a few scenes prior— i’m not scared of you, andy, who do you think you’re talking to?

ashley belittles him, subtly humiliates him when he stands up to her and challenges her to make him back down. she doesn’t take him even remotely seriously even when he makes an honest threat on her life, and now this “dumb bitch” doesn’t either. she doesn’t think he has it in him, so sure he’d never actually use that knife, he’d never actually kill her, he is not a real threat, he’s weak, he’s spineless, he’s a pushover, a doormat, he’s all bark and no bite. yeah, andrew’s livid, and there’s no fucking way he will let that slide when he has nothing to lose and everything to gain by killing this woman.

he will fucking show her how seriously she should have taken him— andrew makes a terrifying example out of her, she will take his sister’s punishment because he wouldn’t think of ashley as truly deserving of it, and he definitely enjoys every single second of it. that taste of power? i’ve no doubt he enjoyed it more than he’d ever imagined enjoying anything in his life.

none of this sadism ends up directed towards ashley at all. in fact, he obsesses over whether or not she’s safe and sound upstairs even as he’s reveling in the complete power and control he has over their notoriously fuckable neighbor. ashley returns unscathed and immediately calls him out on his shit, observant as she is— he killed the lady in 302 because he enjoys killing, not out of pure necessity, that’s an excuse, and he got off on it.

this is hardly ashley making shit up from a dismissive throwaway comment andrew made about the woman being easy on the eyes, even if he defensively reduces it to that to make ashley look and feel irrational. she can’t prove anything, so andrew will die on that hill insisting he was just dutifully protecting them both from harm, while this is ashley’s insecurities talking and making her act crazy. as usual. he clearly jumps through mental hoops to justify what he did and lies his way around his motives and intent constantly, but when ashley accuses him of getting his rocks off killing their downstairs neighbor, there’s his “even if i did, who cares, she’s dead.”

king of telling on himself even when he’s bullshitting.

"Gooner game!" "Gooner show!" "Gooner behaviour!"

There's literally nothing wrong with media containing sexual content, appealing to sexual fantasies, or ppl finding aspects sexually appealing.

There's nothing wrong with enjoying sexual fantasies, getting off to media, speaking about finding characters attractive, etc.

And whilst theres nothing wrong with it, a piece of media covering sexual topics or having attractive characters doesn't necessarily mean it's just a "gooner" media either. Things can have emotional depth and be beautifully written, and still have sexual content. You sound like a Puritan.

you found it disgusting and immoral i found it sexy and arousing that’s why i’m happier than you

me because I have an unhealthy addiction to characters being evil

source

Antis when you tell them toxic ships are darkships:

We're devolving

You ain’t getting out of this with a “tee-hee! what a funny joke” man.

The fact that it’s a star scene…

Real picture of my parents (no fake)

the worst part about being a closeted proshipper is when one of your friends mentions a relationship (platonic or familial) that you ship very hard and you have to pretend you aren’t insane about them

"but why do you even ship them-" IT BRINGS ME JOY AND WHIMSY!!!!!!!

Comic about my weird old dog

Nagi (⁠ㆁ⁠ω⁠ㆁ⁠)