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I need a scene in Season 5 where Mike gets hurt and Will is treating his wounds because the Cleric is healing his Paladin

I don’t think I’ll be able to breathe when it happens, I’ll be kicking my feet so hard

I have listened to You’re the heart and being different together at the same time guys holy shit-

As cool as villain Will Byers is, I think it’s fine as staying as some AU. Because making one of their only canonically gay character a villain, that’s actually a homophobic trope in media.

However, he does deserve to beat the shit out of someone and I will forever stand by that.

I need more Will and Max friendship. Guys I need fanfics for it like, I feel like they would be best friends. And they probably are because they went to the movies together and Max had a letter for Will, but I need more of it.

I need a S3 rewrite where Max and El find Will at the mall because he’s tired of being ignored, and then they just become best friends. This will also include Will and El being besties and build up the sibling arc.

I need Max being a supportive best friend to Will and ragging on Mike for both of El and Will. I need it please you don’t understand

I’m sorry I just want more of this trio because I just think it’s so adorable and I’m hyperfixiating on it lol

If Byler is not canon then why Ghostbusters parallel?

If Byler is not canon why Eyewitness parallel?

I know everyone is still depressed rn, but hey, it could be worse!

You could be a Miraculous Ladybug fan-

I see bitches on TikTok saying “Stop making every milkshake scene about Will”

Yeah well without him they never would have met honey. Also this season really just keeps on reminding us about his feelings for Mike in every milkshake scene.

It’s almost like Milkshake is the plot device for Will’s feelings this season…

So apparently they are time-skipping to 1988…

What happened in 1987? 😨

Can’t believe the Byler fight in the rain (eyewitness parallel) happened 37 years ago

This whole post made me take a step back and think. Thank you. I think we overreacted a little when this Volume came out. I will say I still do not like Volume 2 that much because idk, but this does make me like it a little.

Will is not being used as a plot device for Mileven, it’s the other way around.

insanely steaming hot take but the Will / El / Mike arc was kinda insanely well done

Will

We know Will is the main character in season 5, he was already disliked before by alot of the audience and was battling homewrecker crybaby allegations. Us seeing Will be self sacrificial for the sake of a fan favorite ship / character (Eleven) + willing to suffer for the sake of the ones he cares about makes the audience sympathize with him . Seeing someone suffer even though they're nice to everyone makes us want good things to happen to them.

If they had gone with the route of pushing for Byler , Mike and especially Will would be hated by everyone and that would not be good since they're literally going to be main characters in season 5. Nobody would want to see their relationship get fleshed out because they don't like them.

In the two episodes Will managed to beat homewrecker and useless allegations 🤞 and also become a more liked character that the audience *wants* good things to happen to , it hyped the audience for what's next to come for him

Mike

This season put alot and I mean alot of emphasis on Mike's facial expressions. Whenever he's talking to someone whether that be Will or Eleven they make a point to show the differences in his gaze . Even blind viewers are starting to see how Mike looks distant or faking when he's with El compared to genuine and loving with Will

Mike once again being clueless in the car and with Will in general was a good move, the audience would once again dislike Mike and Will therefore wouldn't want to see them in S5 if Byler started getting pushed when Milkvan was still going . more on this later

Mike's love confession being stale and poorly written and full of lies to the point where the general audience is picking up on how the entire thing can get disproved by Mike's own words ??

Wills "confession" being the catalyst for Mike's confession but it not working

Mike's confession being exactly what El wanted to hear, Eleven ( the fan favorite) got what she wanted , but she didn't like it , in a literal sense Mike's "love" is not enough

Eleven

The general audience would only ever be okay with a Milkvan breakup if it was initiated by El , throwing everything at Mileven and it not sticking was intentional

El gets what she wants. Her love confession, but it's full of lies someone else's words, there's a large disconnect

A big emphasis was put on a sibling bond between El and Will , so much so it was brought up multiple times, this connects back to "Will beating homewrecker allegations" point

El becoming more independent, alot of Milkvans are Eleven stans and adore her, season 3 I've noticed is a favorite because she is so much happier and independent instead of crying over Mike . Her finding her power in her relationship with Max (whom once again was a big part of her finding independence in season 3)

The emphasis on family (Papa vs Hopper) her hug with Will being a bigger deal than her hug with Mike

"Not Mike, Not Hopper, You." "There's more to life than stupid boys"

The only way hardcore Milkvans would be okay with their ship falling is if it was initiated by Eleven for her to have her independence and no longer be held down by Mike which is what the end scenes are alluding to

I missed alot and this is all over the place but the structure and the way things are going (it byler is going to be canon) is actually kinda fantastic

Am I getting hope? Yes. I know my posts are very negative lately and I’m sorry for any negative vibes I gave to others. That’s on me.

But now looking back, I think it might happen. I still have that doubt of course, I don’t think that will go away any time soon, but after seeing more on social media, many people are noticing Byler and Will being gay more than ever. Which, if the Duffers were really going for a way to defeat Byler, why have the audience notice anything weird. The GA has been catching on.

I feel we were disappointed of this because it didn’t go in a way that we wanted. Which I get because Will’s feelings will always feel like a plot device to me this season, even if it was or not, I feel that the Duffers should have handled this better. However, they still did their job by having the GA notice something and questioning the supposedly endgame ship Melvin. Byler is a SLOW burn and I totally get being impatient about it.

I am not a huge fan of slow burn (however I also don’t like instant romance either) so I have looked back on myself and realized that’s why I was disappointed. (Well there are plenty of other reasons) So with that, hope has come back.

Again, I am sorry for any negativity and that energy I have given to others. Of course, you can still be negative about it, but I hate being the one to cause it, same with causing hope.

Byler nation, if we’re getting hopeful, let’s all take it with a bit of salt at the end of the day. Because our trust has been broken, and do not judge others for still feeling negative. With that, I shall see you all soon

(I still hate Volume 2 for plenty of other reasons btw)

Currently listening to “Something I can never have” by Nine inch nails because that’s how I feel about Byler rn. However, a part of me still has hope and yet I don’t want to. I wanna ship this ship without needing canon cause fuck canon. The fix it fics are fixing it for me. So maybe I’m crazy and I am. But whatever. I just wanna ship Byler now in peace and not consider Vol 2 canon.

(I was a fan of Miraculous Ladybug, I thought I was trained about this outcome?)

It’s not even Twitter, TikTok is saying shit like “just because your ship didn’t become canon” I am done. I talked about how it felt forced in Mike’s monologue and everyone kept on telling me “you ship byler stay mad” like it’s not about Byler it’s about how forced that monologue felt and how it felt like a Wattpad fanfic. These people are fucking annoying

Shawn Levy please rewrite Ep 8 and 9. In fact, write ALL of S5. He knew what he was doing

Anyways I’m gonna go rewatch Arcane to remind myself that I can get a queer ship this year (Caitlyn and Vi) and not get queerbaited. Also to remind myself of an actual smart show that does characters right and handles trauma better, I need to cope

Dude I just keep thinking about how this season is like Security Breach. Not literally but it’s like how it was hyped up with the trailers and interviews saying something completely different than the actual product. I like Vol 1, like how I liked most of Security Breach, and then vol 2 came in with its ending, which is exactly how I felt with Security Breach’s ending. (Specifically the Afton Ending)

The difference? Security Breach can fix itself. Sure not really story wise, but with its new DLC it can. I can tell they wanted to do something but didn’t have enough time and they really cared about the game.

Stranger Things? It can’t fix itself because it’s a show. And maybe S5 can fix it, but we will never forget how bad S4 Vol 2 was. We don’t know wtf was happening and whether there were actual scenes they cut out, we won’t know what the true intention was.

The bigger difference? I at least still like Security Breach afterwards. It hurt for a bit as a fan since 2014-2015 but that’s how change is. I can still enjoy it for what it is. Stranger Things is something I can’t get behind. I can’t tell if the Duffers really cared about this season, I can’t tell wtf they were doing and I can’t forgive them for it. I can forgive Steel Wool because the development of Security Breach obviously had a lot of ups and downs. (The whole controversy with Scott, whether we like it or not, did affect that game’s development) and I can sympathize with them.

I can’t sympathize with the Duffers though.

And Ik that it’s really stupid to talk about Security Breach with Stranger things, but this whole thing gave me a flashback to when the game came out and the aftermath. I just kinda realized how similar the two are development and story wise. My brain is tired

Good point. It’s just I feel he deserves to beat the shit out of someone. Just one person

Villain Will Byers with powers. Villain Will Byers with powers. Villain Will Byers wi-

Villain Will Byers with powers. Villain Will Byers with powers. Villain Will Byers wi-

CAN SOMEONE RECOMMEND ANY EVIL/VILLAIN WILL BYERS FICS OR WILL I HAVE TO DO IT MYSELF-

OH MY GOD IT IS EXACTLY LIKE SECURITY BREACH ARE YOU FUCKING WITH ME-

do we not get queerbaited in these new shots?

S4 is Stranger Things’ FNAF: Security Breach story wise. It feels rushed and underwritten, at least Security Breach can fix some things with the new DLC, but a show can’t sadly. So much hype for it, the trailers and interviews made us expect something more, and then nothing. Seriously S4 is the Security Breach of Stranger Things

Mike: Everywhere I go I can still hear his voice…

Vecna: Gay gay homosexual gay

Remember when Finn said:

“Probably a mutual understanding and acceptance”

This answer was regarding Will’s feelings, not his sexuality.

So there will be a confession in Volume 2 and it’s a mutual understanding. Which means he understands the feeling, and that it is mutual. Now, maybe I am stupid and that mutual does not mean you feel the same, but still, that wording gave me hope. Because it’s like “The feeling is mutual.”

I might be crazy and I probably am reaching who knows? But for the people who say that this was negative? That’s honestly a positive in my opinion

The only leaks I’m ever gonna believe anymore is if it’s real footage or a photo. Because I’m so tired of the ones with no real evidence or reliable sources (and you all know what I’m talking about)

Okay so I have noticed people talking about Vibrantwaters and I don’t believe them. Now you may say that these leaks contain stuff from interviews but that’s how you get people to believe. You take facts, and then you put a bunch of lies and people will believe you. Like, this person says that they used to work on the show and was fired, I don’t believe they would just spoil EVERYTHING in Volume 2. People worked hard on this season, and I bet someone who actually worked on the show would not say much because why would you ruin it? Yeah I don’t believe this person and I don’t think I will until Volume 2 comes out. Take it all with a grain of salt. I would also hope that people search into this person and find their sources other than working on the show, because who are they? I don’t trust these leaks at all.

Also, didn’t they leak like 4 pages of script where the writing was pretty average? I’m pretty sure that’s where the “HER EYES OPEN” leak came from. No. I don’t believe these are real

Johnathan and Argyle after interrupting a Byler scene for the 7th time:

M*leven: a relationship that was never meant to be

I would like to say this is not an attack towards anyone who ships Melvin. I don’t even want it to show up on their tag, but if any of them find this, just know I am doing an analysis and that anyone who attacks me for it is not cool. I also ship byler which could make my point less convincing, but I am not trying to be biased. None of this comes from a bias, just me talking about a relationship that I have grown to highly dislike and show why it has a high chance of breaking up.

With that out of the way, Melvin is a relationship between the characters Mike and El in Stranger Things, and has been canon since season 1. They didn’t really get together until the end of S2 and it has been that way ever since. Many people think that this relationship is cute and yes, it is, but let’s replace the is with was.

Ever since season 3 this relationship has been shown to be quite toxic. I noticed how my opinion on Melvin was positive until season 3 and it’s funny how it’s when they actually became a couple. In fact, I noticed that Melvin became toxic when they got together. This shows that maybe they should not be together at all and that has been Duffers intention.

To show why it’s always been toxic, is how no one in the show has said anything positive about it at all. Ever since season 1, the party thinks Mike has crush on her, but they don’t find this cute or endearing, they mock it. An example would be Lucas teasing Mike about El:

Lucas: El! I love you so much! Would you marry me?

Mike: Shut up Lucas

You could say Lucas approves of the crush, but the way he also went “If you love her so much why don’t you just marry her?” Which is more of a negative thing to say than a positive. I get that this was when the party just met El, and Lucas didn’t trust her at the time. But still, it was intentional. The over exaggeration that Lucas does is, in my interpretation, a way of the Duffers mocking Melvin. Which goes into my next point.

The Duffers show how their relationship doesn’t work romantically. Ever since they have become a couple, they have had problems. S3 is a huge example with them breaking up and both of them not even being sad about it. You’d think that such a strong bond would be sad about their relationship ending at least a little, but it’s not. Even the scene where Mike says he loves her, everyone reacts in such a weird way. Like they think he’s lying.

What makes it better is how humorous their breakup in S3 is. Like the Duffers do not take their romantic relationship seriously. Whenever they are together, they act so out of character to where it doesn’t feel real, which is most likely intentional. Because their romance is a lie.

This also just doesn’t affect the two of them, it also affects everyone else around them. With them ditching their friends when they were going to meet Dustin’s girlfriend and have them all complain about it. Sure, Max says “It’s romantic” but not even an episode later she starts going against their relationship. I feel Max is supposed to represent the audience, most found it romantic or cute in earlier seasons, but after seeing their relationship more clearly, it’s just bullshit and they need to break up.

Let’s not forget the constant Ted and Karen parallels. Which I touched upon here. Especially with the new season’s main messages being about conformity, which is what their relationship is, conformity. These two work better as friends, not as a romantic pairing.

Another example of their romance being a lie is how when they became a couple, they both lie to each other. First it’s Mike in S3, then it’s El in S4. Which actually can be proven with of the most popular phrases in this show “Friends don’t lie.”

Friends don’t lie. El never lied to Mike when they were just friends and vice versa, but when they became a couple, it was all lies. Because their love is a lie. They didn’t actually love each other in a romantic sense.

Now you could say that S4 has taken a more serious tone with their relationship and argument, but the reason it’s serious is because this is where they realize that this isn’t what they actually want. They are taken seriously when they are a friendship. The fact that eulogy played in the background of their argument in S4 shows that their romance is dead. It’s always been. This can also be proven with Mike calling it an “argument you can’t come back from.” What’s something that you can’t come back from? Death. Their romance is dead.

There’s also the whole superhero thing. This has been here since season 1. In the same scene I mentioned with Lucas mocking Mike earlier, Dustin compares El to plenty of superheroes (X-men and green lantern) with Lucas saying “She’s not a superhero. She’s a weirdo.” You’d think Mike would shut both of them down, like with something like “She’s a person.” Or something like that. Usually I find that to be more romantic when it comes to something like this and you have a character who’s supposedly in love. But he does the same thing Dustin does by saying “The X-men were weirdos.”

This to me shows how Mike does not love El, with season 4 proving this even more, but it also shows how this was intended. Mike admires her, of course he cares about her, but it’s not romantic it’s just admiration. And that’s why having Mike tell El he loves her would be more damaging to their relationship because now El has her powers back, so Mike saying he loves her after just proves how he doesn’t actually love her. And you know what? Maybe we should have a scene where Mike tells El he loves her, but she shuts it down and tells him that he doesn’t. Making him realize that maybe they shouldn’t be together, after all, friends don’t lie.

There are plenty of other examples of how their romantic relationship never worked from the start and how they are not endgame, but I am going a bit too long here, and I feel that I might continue this post with more examples, like a part 2 or something. But that’s all for now.

In conclusion, Mike and El were never supposed to work out as a romantic pairing. And they will break up this season as that is the more healthiest and logical conclusion for their romance. Despite this show not exactly being realistic (it involves supernatural beings after all) it is realistic with their relationships. Keep that in mind.

Oh yeah, it’s all coming together

I know this interview is like a week or so old and I’ve analysed it before, but I just noticed something. Ross Duffer says how episode 7 has the big plot reveal with Vecna, which we all know about in the lab plot. However, he goes on to discuss how there are even bigger plot points and reveals to come. So it wouldn’t surprise me if somehow there’s a big plot reveal about Will and why he went missing on that particular day, correlating to time freezing in the Upside Down. Additionally, why he was the first victim taken and why he is so closely paralleled to Vecna.

It is also important to note how Ross says that there are not only big plot reveals but, also, “character reveals”. Byler? Revealing Mike confessing to El his love for her wouldn’t be a character reveal or a major plot point as that’s been done in season 3.

Again, I saw another TikTok where someone said the reason Mike apologized to Will in S4 was because he is using him to find El? 😟

Again, WHAT? DO YOU KNOW MIKE’S CHARACTER??? 😰

Ted and Karen have affected Mike and Nancy’s view of love but not in the way most people think

Recently there has been a argument in the fandom about why Mike can’t say he loves El. With some saying he’s gay or he doesn’t love El that way or he doesn’t know how to say it.

I am a believer that Mike is gay and doesn’t love El in a romantic way, but I also believe that a argument made by Melvin fans is also true and that is Ted and Karen’s relationship affecting their children’s view of love.

Most of them argue that The Wheeler parents are why Mike cant say he loves El because they never shown love to each other. I do think they are right on the part about Ted and Karen’s relationship affecting their children, but I disagree how it has affected them.

It is true that Ted and Karen are in a loveless marriage, and that has been shown to actually affect Mike and Nancy. Nancy has been aware of this fact and she even repeats their mistake, Mike’s is more subtext but it with him dressing exactly like his parents in S3. (Karen’s yellow striped shirt and Ted’s teal shirt or whatever color it is).

This has shown that Mike and Nancy have been affected by their parents’ loveless marriage but it’s not because they can’t say it or show it, it’s because they are repeating their parents’ relationship. Thinking they are in love with someone, but in reality, they aren’t.

Nancy is aware of the fact that her parents don’t love each other. She has a scene where she talks to Johnathan about it but there’s an irony to it, because she is in a relationship where she doesn’t actually love Steve. Which is why she can’t say she loves him, because she doesn’t. The way that Ted and Karen had met and got married are kind of exactly like how Nancy is with Steve.

Nancy: My parents never loved each other.

Johnathan: They must’ve married for some reason

Nancy: My mom was young, my dad was older. But he had a cushy job, money, came from a good family, and started their nuclear family

Really shows how Ted and Karen only got together because of circumstance and not actual love. Because of expectations. Which is where Mike’s relationship with El comes into play.

Throughout season 1, Mike’s friends keep on telling him he totally is in love with El. Basically expecting him to love her, when he doesn’t. Mike may seem to not notice or really care about his parents relationship, but like Nancy, it has him unaware of doing the same thing. He doesn’t love El, at least not romantically. Which can explain why he can’t say he loves her, he thinks or thought this is what love is, but it’s not.

Stancy literally broke up because Nancy didn’t love Steve and could never say it to him. Which is literally what Mike and El are going through right now.

Mike and Nancy are repeating their parents relationships, it’s not that they can’t express love, it’s that they mistook their love for something that wasn’t and learned to fall in love with someone else. This season’s message is about going against conformity, which is literally Ted and Karen’s relationship, and to break through it. That is how Ted and Karen have affected Mike and Nancy.