(BOOK ONLY) Since some stupid people have come into this fandom, everything you hear makes you think whether they are just stupid or pretending to be stupid.
"Alicent did everything for 20 years while Rhaenyra was vacationing on Dragonstone"
The princess of Dragonstone living in dragonstone!??? Oh the miseryđąđŽ Are you hearing yourself? Like be serious right now.
It is the seat of the heir, the Prince/Princess of DRAGONSTONE. Dragonstone is her seat, where she rules. Until she becomes Queen where the seat will pass on to her hair and the next after that. As Prince of Dragonstone Rhaegar along with his family lived on Dragonstone.
She ruled on Dragonstone. After being heir and cupbearer before her marriage for years. And no she wasn't simply sitting on her ass and having sex and fun and vacationing as some of you put it. She had duties to be done, holding courts, hosting guests and visitors. It wasn't just some small island with no island either, it was an overlord to, House Velaryon, House Celtigar, House Bar Emmon, and House Sunglass(what a name). And she had to host those who were guests coming to pay respects and hear their problems and what not. And none of these mean that she was simply gone from Kingslanding either, it takes an hour? on dragon back to get there. We do know she was there present in some ways, the rivalry between her sons and Alicent's, her and Maester Gerardys coming to heal Viserys.
"And in these 20 years, Aegon bettered himself to rule."
Girl where? We know nothing of him from ages 6-12?. Afterwards, all we know of this time is he was fondling maids, fucking servantmaids and whore, getting drunk and spending his time in the streets of silk and that he was having bastards even after being married to a princess and having children. They literally found him in a brothel with a whore, while bringing him news of his father's death.
Alicent is a political mastermind whether you like her or not. Her keeping the peace after visits died is why Rhaenyra lived as long as she did
Lol, which part of her character screams political mastermind to you? The part where she was having petty grudges against a pre-teen? Or the part where she spread unnecessary rumours abt the said 12/13 year old? Or the part where she publicly hated the same child? Or the last where she wanted a 5 year old's eye to be put out? Or the part where her 19 and 15 year old sons remained unwed, instead of creating an allegiance?
She is smart and cunning and ambitious but not in the most political way.
Her marriage was the utmost political move on her part. Through this marriage, she became queen, one of the most powerful titles, had four princelings and three to follow after them.
I do think the Rhaenyra & Alicent mostly animosity mostly began after Otto was sent away(109)/Aemond was born(110), which would put Alicent(21/22) displaying public dislike towards Rhaenyra(12/13). Everyone and their mothers in the court knew abt their 'animosity' towards each other even before the tourney of 111 AC, blacks and greens were formed. Alicent was 23 and Rhaenyra was 14.
âSer Criston protects the princess from her enemies, but who protects the princess from Ser Criston?â Queen Alicent asked one day at court. Such a political movie on Alicent's partđ¤Śââď¸
Taking in Lord Commander of the Kingsgaurd Criston, was a power gaining move on her past however. But then again, a man she alleged of being a pedo when she had a silver haired daughter herself. So, again, who knows.
Aegon and Helaena marriage was arranged by Viserys, so it would calm down Aegon a bit (from whoring and drinking). She as a mother did not stop Aegon from whoring or excessive drinking, even though she wanted him to be king. She did not prepare him to rule or have someone do it, just let him sire bastards and destroy his reputation. Just because he was a son, he was the better choice, even with nothing to back it.
Queen Alicent demanded that one of Lucerys Velaryonâs eyes should be put out, for the eye he had cost Aemond. Luke was FIVE when this happened, Alicent was a grown 32 year old woman, a mother to 4 children. Though this can easily be passed as her mother's grief talking. So moving on.
Aemond(19) and Daeron(15) remained unwed. Marriage is the best way of allegiance (ex. Rhaenyra and Velaryons). Aemond could've been easily married by then, maybe to Cassandra Baratheon, where he could've been her consort (ex. Daemon and Rhea). Daeron could've been married too, but even a Betrothal would've been fine, maybe to some Tyrell. Yet it didn't happen.
By (visits=Viserys?) 'Rhaenyra living as long as she did', I think you mean the peace treaty? Even an idiot knows you offer a peace treaty at the beginning of a war, so you can be seen as peaceful and better than the other. It wasn't even just her either, Otto and Helaena both pushed for it. The offer was also a hostageship for Rhaenyra and her whole family.
Also Rhaenyra is the one who kept Alicent alive not the other way around. âfor the sake of our father, who loved you once.â
Friendly reminder that just because you hate a character doesn't mean that you have to insult an actor. Especially their appearance.
I've seen people calling Ty Tennant and his look really nad things (not gonna repeat them here). And honestly -WHATS WRONG WITH YPU PEOPLE. yes Aegon Targaryen is, let's say, pretty complicated character but what did the actor do to you?
Meanwhile the dude in question looks like a Renaissance painting.
Spoiler!!!!! 2x08!!! Spoiler...don't watch it if you aren't ready for it
desperately want a hotd fix it fic where Rhaenyraâs kids all look Targaryen and everyone gets a long and Rhaenyra and Alicent are friends and everyone is happy and there are rainbows
Literally sobbing my eyes out after rewatching episode 8 and the episode 9 trailer. Like Rhaenyra left Kings Landing thinking that she and Alicent were mending their relationship and on the path to being civil and possibly friends again, and then Viserys gorks it and Alicents going to have Aegin crowned and my heart canât take it. Also the seen where Rhaenyra and Daemon introduced Viserys to little Aegon and baby Viserys was wholesome and sad and heartbreaking and I hate feelings. And Helaena and Jace were adorable too.
One day we need to have a legitimate discussion on how Jace and Luke werenât even bullies and how Aegon was Aemonds biggest torturer. And that day is today.
- Alicent herself knew this was true. âYou may cuff him about as you wish at home, but in the world we must defend our ownâ she says after trying to frame Jace and Luke as âsavages.â
-Alicent refers to Jace and Luke as Aegons âplaythingsâ in the same scene. What kind of power dynamic do you really think was at play here? Aegon clearly liked to toy with his vastly younger nephews and influenced them.
- Mind you, Jace and Luke were 5-7 years old and NOT aware of the feud that ran in their frayed family. They lack the awareness of characters like Aemond and Aegon who are repeatedly reminded by Alicent that Rhaenyraâs family is a THREAT and that they are bastards who are beneath them in station.
-In contrast, there is not a single scene of Rhaenyra speaking about Aegon, Aemond, or Helaena in derogatory ways to her children. Even in the books, itâs evident that the feud between the children is entirely one-sided with the Greens growing up and *learning* to resent Jace, Luke, and Joff.
-the teasing in and of itself was so mild. What makes Aemond upset is that he doesnât view Jace and Luke as his equals.
-to Jace and Luke, this was normal teasing. From Aemonds perspective, heâs being emasculated by younger boys who he views as sub-human and unworthy despite having dragons of their own because heâs been TOLD and ASSURED that theyâre bastards.
- THIS IS WHY THE TEASING ACTUALLY SETS HIM OFF, NOT THE SEVERITY. Need we be reminded how strongly Aemond feels about âblood purityâ? In a show about the Targaryen dynasty, heâs the only character to mention it.
Bonus:
- Aegon hating and wanting to tease Aemond is so on brand for them as characters. Aemond is a momas boy and Aegon is the disappointment. The allure to make his life hell is there.