James giving Oliver a "not so brotherly kiss": YES GO!!!!! I AM SO HAPPY! FINALLY! MY SHIP HAS SAILED!
Charles giving Camilla a "not so brotherly kiss": ........WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS BOOK
You know you are invested in a book when you feel jealousy with the main character, when you have a breakdown when they do, when you get anxious when they are, when you feel the love for their love interest as much as they do, when you cry for them and smile with them and then the book ends and you feel an empty void as if life had stopped.
Bunny: so what do we have for lunch....
Henry:.....wine
Bunny: I meant something we can eat.
Charles: which drug do you like? I don't have much on me but we can buy some.
Bunny: that's not what a human should have for lunch
Franics: I do the coffee, cigarettes and Maraschino Cherries diet, you wanna try?
Bunny: what the....
Camilla: we could have had some lamb chops but we don't have it anymore.
Bunny: why?
Camilla: we had to sacrifice the lamb during a ritual and bathe in its blood
Bunny: you know what I would rather be dead by eating grilled cheese sandwich and milkshake than hang out with you weirdos anymore
Looks like a cinnamon roll, is actually a cinnamon roll: Richard Papen
Looks like they could kill you, is actually a cinnamon roll: Francis Abernathy
Looks like a cinnamon roll, could actually kill you: Charles Macaulay
Looks like they could kill you, could actually kill you: Henry Winter
Could kill you by feeding you too many cinnamon rolls: Camilla Macaulay
Does not deserve cinnamon rolls, will actually get killed: Bunny Concoran
-Jack Edwards (source: Youtube " I tried dark academia aesthetic for a week")
The Secret History × If We Were Villains
Where it's just Detective Colborne finding Richard and asking him about the two murders and Henry Winter's suicide.
Colborne: So you also did all this for the person you loved?
Richard: Nah, I did it for the 💫 Aesthetics💫
Colborne, to himself: this one is even worse than Oliver Marks.
Basically how Bunny's death went:
Henry: knock knock!
Bunny: who's there?
Henry: push!
Bunny: push, who?
Henry: push you!
Francis, Camilla, Charles, Richard: *gasp* anyways----
Julian: so you killed two people?
Henry: you can justify anything, if you do it poetically enough
Francis *wishpers*: wrong fandom Henry.
Do you read books on murder and people getting away with it? Do you often wish upon deaths of the rotten people in the world? Do you find the notion of living in isolation with coffee and a book intriguing? Do you fall in love with morally grey anti heros? Do people call you unusual and insane? Do you wake up everyday wishing you didn't? Do you consider yourself to be better than others at the same time feeling inferior in a world that doesn't accept you?
If not then you are actully a fully functioning human being who does not rely their life's worth on hopeless soul searching and "you can't sit with us" *Gretchen Wiener voice*
Richard's unhinged energy is the most entertaining part for me beside the murders. Like the guy is an inspiration for chaotic people. He lies about his family life, pretends his rich father has business in oil (who irl has a petrol pump), lies to his part time employer to get money, goes on a 90s teen movie shopping spree, takes any free item from Judy, lies about going to a prep school, lives on a diet of wine and more wine, takes any pill anyone gives him, joins a cultish greek gang, lets Bunny die an aesthetically pleasing death and not to forget.....does cocaine in the parking lot of Burger King.
Reading IWWV was such a journey. While I did enjoy TSH, it never broke me like IWWV did. The book is shorter than TSH but has more impact than the prior. The style, the writing, the characters and the story is so vastly different yet same as TSH. The thing about it is, I can read TSH as many times as I want, get new theories and discover more details. But I couldn't read IWWV even ounce after the first read, because all I could feel was pain.
The reason I always thought there was something more to Camilla than what we read is because the book is from the perspective of Richard who was supposed to be in love with her.
I always got some unsettling energy from the twins, they were just too perfect at the start. By the end of the 2nd part it had changed when Charles showed his real colours. But Camilla throughout the story remained the only person to not have a flip of personality. Francis sheds off his "too cool for you" persona and becomes close with Richard. Henry....well Henry after killing Bunny stops functioning a little. Even Julian is no long the John Keating of the story but a normal person who as soon as found out his students killed two people, left them alone (what would you have done in that situation?)
I thought it was strange that Camilla never became anything more than a girl Richard liked, and later connected with Henry and Charles. I wished so much more for the character to be than that. And after the reveal of her and Henry's relationship (after Henry orchestrated Bunny's murder) I felt like Camilla has a dark side that Richard just ignored to portray her as the best of them. She seemed to be hiding something all the time.
I don't think she is a bad person, not at all. I think she has a more complex personality than being the goddess of a person Richard portrayed her to be. The amount of abuse she went through since childhood must have had some effect on her as a person. She didn't really deserved any of the guys. I wished in the end she would have just said "Stop!" And left all of them.
I would have liked to know more about Camilla, we don't get any insight to her at all, which made her not really my favourite character (especially during my first time reading when I was waiting for her to change a bit like everyone else)
Reading TSH again and again and finding out more details and theories is always fun.
Like the fact the entire story happened because Bunny wasn't able to fast for some more time and got caught eating.
Or that no one would have found Bunny's death suspicious if it hadn't snowed
Or that Henry tried to frame Richard by making him write the calculations for the posion mushrooms
Or that Richard thought of murder as poetic as a coping mechanism
Or that none of these horrible things would have happened to Richard if he hadn't picked up the pretty brochure.
(edited after a re-read)
The setting of TSH confused me at first. I thought it was taking place in the 50s as Richard's language sounded very pretentious. Then there's no mention of any pop culture making it hard to pin point which decade it takes place in. Then slowly we start to see that it's not that old with more mentions of new things. Despite that I wasn't sure when it was happening until I found out that Henry didn't knew that moon landing actully happened so it was probably in the 70's or 80's.
I wish Henry had lived long enough to find out there's 8 planets not 9. He reminds me a bit of Sherlock and how neither of them concerned themselves with whatever was happening in the world and cared about only what they thought was important.
There's a huge difference between living and existing. If all you do is exist, when would you live?
~my biology teacher
So, for my sanity. Let me get this straight (lol); Henry was in love with Camilla and she was in love with him. And Richard was also in love with Camilla but she friendzoned him. Francis and Camilla had kissed (twice) and Charles was furious. Francis was flirting with Richard the entire time ( "cubitum eamus") Richard fantasized about spending his old years with Francis (and they kissed ofc). Richard also described Henry in a very no homo way. Francis and Charles were secretly hooking up. And so were Charles and Camilla (also, Charles was an abuser, why don't people talk about that more?). Richard described Camilla to look very masculine and like Charles to a tee, so he also liked Charles (?). Bunny was a huge homophobe, kinda sus; also had a strange interest in Henry. And Henry was probably in love with Julian (that little weird kiss mentioned ounce). I am a missing something?
Donna. Donna. Donna, what tf is this book is about?
I love that the gang never truly felt bad for killing Bunny, in the sense of grief (ngl I would have killed him too). Even in his funeral instead of feeling guilty for his death they are fanning flies, drinking, doing drugs and popping random pills they found in someone's drawer. They were chaotic af.
Because I could not stop for Death –
He kindly stopped for me –
The Carriage held but just Ourselves –
And Immortality.
~Emliy Dickinson
I quit reading If We Were Villians when I thought James and Oliver are doomed to not be together. I have tried to complete the last few pages but I can't. I had never rooted for a couple more than I did for them. I even got jealous with them when they were both with different people. I have spoiled as well as guessed what happens in the end (the Shakespeare format spolied more than it should have) and I don't think I could EVER finish the book. Few books break my heart, but this one surely did.
Richard: who are them?
Judy: those are the weirdo greek kids, or as we affectionately call them "douchebags"
Judy: that little one is Francis Abernathy, he's rich as shit and cares about nobody.
Jud: he knows everything about everyone, that's why his coats are so big
Frank: they are full of secrets...
Richard: he looks cool.
Judy: whatever. See those two, don't be fooled, they are Charles and Camilla Macaulay, they are twins.
Jud: they might look like little angels but they are the one's who cause the real trouble.
Frank: they are also really incestuous.
Judy: the big blond one is Bunny Corcoran, he is one of the dumbest people you will ever meet.
Jud: he asked me how to spell "Metahemeralism"
Frank: he is the guy everyone loves to hate.
Richard: and who's the one in a suit?
Judy: .....that is Henry Winter, he is the leader of the group. He the richest, the smartest and the most insane out of all of them. How do I begin to explain Henry Winter....
Richard: I feel challenged.
Judy: it's okay, we can be your friends...
Richard: I am gonna go study greek, bye!
Judy: *sighs*
Richard: hey guys do you want to...
Henry: We threw a bacchanal
Richard: whaaa...
Henry: Bunny saw us with blood on
Richard: wait what...
Henry: he blackmailed us for months and I had to shut his mouth by taking him on a trip to Italy.
Richard: why don't you go to the police?
Henry: police are not real, Richard.
My mom thinks I am in a cult. No, The secret history, iwwv, and dead poet's society are not books/movie, it's a religion.
Bunny: Camilla likes Henry!
Richard: She does not!
Bunny: Richard likes Camilla!
Francis: He does not!
Bunny: Francis likes Richard!
Charles: He does not!
Bunny: Charles likes Francis!
Henry: just shut up Bunny, nobody likes you. *pushes*
Charles: how can you possibly justify cold-blooded murder?
Henry: I prefer to think of it, as redistribution of matter.
Me: You can make a religion out of this!
Richard at the beginning: I want to study the classics, the arts and languages with Julian and his group of beautiful pupils.
Richard in the middle: I want to help these crazy people murder their best friend who is annoying.
Richard in the end: I...just want to sleep for ounce.