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I JUST HAD TO FUCKING WITNESS INCEST ART ON MY FEED. IK TUMBLR IS FREAKY AS FUCK BUT WTF.

In Defense of Yagami Yato

Alright, there's some literal flames beginning inside and outside of the community and she's coming under some fire herself after the posting of an audio. Not to mention the accusations surrounding her after it was posted

Before, people were already not very kind for the things she creates but I'd like to clarify things as someone who derives comfort from her content.

Even holding it as somewhat of an outlet.

I’m going to go through and debunking some things. You don’t have to enjoy her content or continue to support her or things of the like but let’s dive into this.

I will also do my best to provide evidence and make the points concise and clear. Please correct me if there is anything I get incorrect.

There will be triggering topics under the cut, everything will be tagged to the best of my ability.

I do not condone inc*st or anything presented in the evidence I’m about to show you. I also ask that you attack no one that I have made mention of.

Mentions of pseudo-incest, incest, sexual assault, blackmail, cheating/infidelity. Please heed these warnings before reading.

Let’s start off with the “aging up minors just to lewd them”.

This is immediately untrue. She ages them up for the sake of a story she is trying to tell, in the main storyline of her audios - all of the students either start as third years and end up pro heroes.

A lot of her early audios involved prefacing how characters fell in love!

It is like an alternate universe where all the story lines intersect and story takes up a good chunk of the audios. While there is the odd one off here and there with just straight up sex, it is clear that they are adults.

Old enough to consume alcohol, own property, be pro heroes, etc.

They are old enough to get married with parental permission by the time they graduate high school. According to Japanese law.

She also gets absolutely nothing out of these audios because she explained that she is aro-ace. There was also that none of this is scripted and often done while she is doing other things, like playing video games or drawing or doing other tasks.

I also distinctly remember her explaining that she hadn’t started doing female voices until recently because it’s harder for her to dissociate. She also does not do anything sexual when it comes to just her normal self as she finds it uncomfortable(male self is fair game).

Cece briefly went onto explain her own mental trauma in experiencing being assaulted as a minor, so she is not aging up the students just to lewd them because she’s had to deal with that type of shit herself.

There is also the problem that underaged kids are apparently all over her content, god, I already touched on this before but in this day and age - we can barely tell who is telling the truth about their age or not.

But I know she had recently attempted to slice down on minors consuming her content by age restricting everything, marking it as 18+ and so on.

Source is her “Addressing the Drama” video up on her Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7CcMXanmkM

But apparently, they’re still bypassing everything by lying about their age or something or other. Even her Patreon is being sort of exploited in this manner because someone is allowing them to have money to support her.

Not to mention those that take that content and start pasting it on places like TikTok.

I’m not apart of her Discord but read from a third party source that she swiped the entire NSFW channel from the server and there is a just Patreon one in the works? I’m unsure about the details of this particular subject.

I don’t know a lot about this and I’m not on her Discord server full on simply because I was way too nervous to speak to her or anybody else on it. But with a quick search of it, I can see that they don’t discuss Patreon matters on it and NSFW is not allowed on it as of right now.

But either way, it’s clear that she and her mods are trying to crack down on shit like this.

Finally, the most recent, “she supports inc*st”.

Alright, at this point, Yato has taken it down but it is what made her receive some of the recent ire. Even from a rather prominent cosplayer of whom’s content I enjoyed and decidedly unfollowed as it’s clear they did not want to have any YY supporters as fans. While it pains me a little, I have to disagree with this as well and provide some sort of context as I had listened to the audio.

Let me provide a small screenshot, of what content was to be expected from it.

Before ya’ll pull out pitchforks, let me explain what goes down in this audio.

Admittedly, this is not my cup of tea, but I listened anyhow out of curiosity(and concern as the “kinda inc*st” tag worried me). Note, this was completely 110% my decision, I was fully aware of the warnings and listened anyhow. I am a completely autonomous being that is capable of making my own, adult, decisions.

The listener is Shouto’s spouse(meaning they are 18 or older), both of which have been married for 6 months of so. All through their marriage, they’d apparently been blackmailed by Endeavor into cheating on him. She hadn’t listed it in the warnings but it also technically has to do with the “mind breaking” type of fetish. Let me clarify, this audio is genuinely hardcore and while there is these triggering materials...

But she warned us.

Warned me.

Anyhow, let me continue. The ‘inc*st’ tag was likely added on out of precaution, there was no physical relations between Shouto and Enji.

Allow me to Repeat: THERE WAS NO SEXUAL CONTACT BETWIXT THE FATHER AND SON.

This would be placed under something akin to ‘pseudo-incest’ as there is no blood connection between the listener and the Todorokis. As they are only related through marriage.

Enji being the father in law and Shouto being their husband.

They are having relations with Enji and Shouto. The other two are not having them with each other.

While it is still a gray area and I can’t say I enjoyed this audio - mostly as I don’t condone anything in it... I can only imagine Yato doesn’t either.

There was plenty of influence from hentai, especially according to the fact Yato used the “NTR” tag. All the tropes in the audio match up to a lot of hentai as well... As an adult, we’ve been around the block a couple times to understand.

There is also a small edit where she did address it more. On a Patreon post called “Edit: I love you all, no matter what”.

It makes sense as some of her audios include some of her characters doing some risky things, not to mention the moral gray area surrounding the heroes and villains in the main story line. Where most had done something that is considered wrong in the eyes of the law and society.

Especially Shouto.

Let me finish this off by saying; do your research before you jump the gun. I know Yato is not exempt from criticism, no one is!! I’m not trying to paint YY as this poor, misunderstood soul.

But more so as someone that doesn’t know how to handle things such as this very well.

Since instead of immediately addressing and apologizing for this, the message of “respect each other” and “everyone has different kinks” is something she’s trying to reinforce.

While that is true.

She needs to tackle this issue properly and take accountability, though it is an uncomfortable situation - it should be something that is addressed as people are legitimately very angry/upset.

The subject matter is serious and should be treated as such.

Cece’s main priority was making sure we don’t go around going after one another and seeing if everyone was okay afterwards.

We should respect those who were upset by this as well.

Some of her Patrons are also all over the place. As none want the same thing when it came down to it as being people, there is different thresholds as to what we can and cannot handle.

Not everyone will be satisfied with the content she creates and that’s okay.

She messed up. I won’t deny that, this is the biggest thing she’s ever screwed up and I can’t completely defend her from the backlash that will most definitely come.

Especially since without context of content, it is deeply triggering.

That is something she’s going to have to deal with.

I hope to god that she figures out a way to handle this better than she had initially.

I’m probably also pretty problematic in how my point of view is, so if y’all don’t agree - you don’t have to associate with me or YY.

I will still to continue to follow the content she creates and when she truly comes out with something truly harmful? Then I’ll sound the alarm and drop that shit, I’m not the type to deal with this thing lying down.

Perhaps I’ll receive some ire from this myself but I don’t really care, as someone that uses involving dark matters to cope and how to tackle them better - I can somewhat relate. I worry about offending people or triggering them, so my tags are always clear as possible. I don’t hold anything back and if people believe they can handle it, they can go ahead.

Not to mention my taste in fics sometimes veer straight into some dark-ass shit.

Yato decided to go full in on this path without giving any context as to why she marked it the way she had. People look straight on at things without knowing what her work entails will have no idea the type of person she actually is, nor immediately see why she does the things she does.

Cece isn’t a bad person.

But she’s not perfect either.

I’m leaving this here to allow people to come with their own conclusions.

I know where I stand.

Edit(8/22/20 @ 9:40PM): According to the Patreon, someone had actually reported the audios and had them removed. Not sure if it makes the situation better or worse, but I’m not sure they wanted to remove it? Again, this is just word of ear and it is unconfirmed. I’ll continue updating the more comes out.

Edit(8/29/20 @ 1:36 PM): Addressing more Yagami Yato Allegations [tw: animal cruelty mention, tw: sexual assault mention]

Edit (8/29/20 @ 2:17PM): YY has made a Patreon post with visual/video proof. The apparent screenshot sharer is her friend and the both of them debunked they even shared a convo like that. They have continued speaking even after the posting of those screenshots? It was apparently meant to doxx said friend on top of that.

Edit (2/7/2021 @ 5:34 AM): I am no longer in support YY, I did once when she readily provided evidence and gave us proof... But she isn't taking responsibility or providing a defense. So I am DONE.

So Lily and Mikaila posted recently the cover of a Live they are gonna do focused on Arcane. And i must say 2 things based on this cover:

One: They are gonna bash Vi for being with Caitlyn and then call her incestuous because of hair colors and somehow the shape of Caitlyn face looking similar to her mother

Second: They are gonna simp HARD for Sevika and claim that she should have killed Heimerdinger when she got the chance. Or if not her, Ekko killing Heimerdinger after meeting him when he left home because "EVIL CAPITALIST SHOULD DIE."

All i can say for sure is this.

Be ready for the Shitstorm.

After seeing this post from Mikaila, im now thinking she and Lily just fucking hate Arcane and are trying to spread shit to make People hate it too.

No joke this was my reaction reading this shit

wow i hate it here.

i agree with most of this, except one major point: victor’s motivation to find the secret of life wasn’t spurred by caroline’s death. there’s no evidence to suggest this in-text - it wasn’t about reanimation (this concept was only mentioned once in a throwaway line, and it was not regarding caroline), it was about creating new life. what he wound up doing was not really reversing death, but what was, essentially, childbirth. this is a significant detail when you consider it in the context of victor and elizabeth’s relationship - if victor’s goal was to create life, and he intentionally foregoes women (elizabeth) in this process, then is it that big of a leap to suggest he was doing so so that he wouldn’t have to perform incest?

now if we step back and take a look at the events before the creature’s creation, i really do think they saw each other as siblings - considering the context of elizabeth being adopted into the frankenstein family, elizabeth and victor referring to each other as cousins, and being in an arranged marriage to victor (both normal things in higher society but strange when paired together), and that caroline selects elizabeth specifically because she had a background similar to her own, a daughter that would be like her. then she calls elizabeth her favorite, and rears her and victor under the expectation that they are to be wed when they are older. from the age of six, victor and elizabeth, notably TOGETHER, were helping raise ernest (and later william) while both caroline and alphonse were still in the picture, described as his “constant nurses”... and if i remember correctly, at this point alphonse had retired after ernest’s birth specifically to care for his children, yet elizabeth and victor are still raising their younger siblings, treating ernest as if he were their child... and then caroline, as her literal dying wish, has elizabeth promise to marry her son and take her place in the family and help raise her other children.

it’s as if caroline grooms elizabeth into being this second version of her, which makes her dictating victor and elizabeth’s marriage to each other all the more horrible.

there’s several moments that make it clear that elizabeth and victor view each other as family, or at the very least, are romantically disinterested in each other. elizabeth bringing up in letters how she and victor as a pair is strange, giving victor several outs to their marriage, elizabeth literally hitting the nail on the head when suggesting victor considers himself honor-bound to fulfill his parent’s wishes, their hesitance on their wedding day, elizabeth referring to william (and by extension, ernest and victor) as a brother during justine’s trial, victor’s dream where he’s kissing elizabeth and then she literally turns into his mother in his arms, etc.

and before all that - there’s this constant, excessive dependence on victor for emotional support, and it started in childhood, from which he was his parents “plaything” and their “idol” and where, growing up, “[caroline’s] firmest hopes of future happiness were placed on the prospect of [elizabeth and victor’s] union” and, after her death, “this expectation [would be] the consolation of [his] father.” 

so now we have victor, who his parents have been emotionally dependent on all his life, who is expected to carry on his family’s legacy, who is in an arranged marriage he doesn’t want, with someone who is his cousin/sister/acting as his mother stand-in. under all this expectation, this marriage he has literally been raised with, he doesn’t try to subvert it entirely, no, he’s been told that his family’s happiness depends on this marriage! but he does the best he could in the situation he’s been given, dodging an act of incest by performing the act of creating life by himself, by making the creature.

Let's talk about Victor...

But not in the usual way.

Warnings: Will contain some talk of Grooming and incest.

And warnings for some large spoilers for the Frankenstein novel. If you're still reading it, I do suggest not reading this post.

We discuss a lot, Victor's faults, what he could have done better and done different, ect. We are not going to be discussing that for this, for now we are putting those discussions and debates aside.

There is one large, hmm, complaint or judgement perhaps, that's always not quite sat right with me. And that's, his relationship with Elizabeth, and how it's treated as his fault. And I'm not talking about how he treats her, or what happens to Elizabeth or anything like that. I'm talking about how it's often treated like the relationship itself is his fault and he's a disgusting pig for it. When honestly...I feel he's a victim of it as well.

Now, of course, this is my interpretation of things. I know not everyone agrees or will agree with it, which is perfectly fine. This is my interpretation of something in a story that is meant to have different interpretations. This is just something I feel and I feel like is not often discussed. In fact I haven't even seen it discussed.

So, here we go.

I feel like both Victor and Elizabeth are victims and didn't really have a choice in the matter of the relationship. Yes, by the times, Victor has an advantage of being a man and Elizabeth has to be a wife and be dependent on him, I'm not saying that isn't true.

I'm talking about his mother. Caroline. I feel, in pointing the finger at Victor for the relationship with Elizabeth, his mother is often forgotten. His mother, whether you're doing the version where Elizabeth is his cousin or adopted sister, basically took Elizabeth in, and immediately decides she'd be the perfect match for her boy.

And told them that. Constantly. As they were growing up. As they were learning.

I do believe, Victor and Elizabeth loved each other, as best friends, as siblings. I don't think they were ever really allowed to think of it as anything other then romantic love though. And so that's how they accepted it. It's how his, and honestly their, mother saw it.

And then to make it worse. Caroline's death. His mother, who, when you look into the novel, really, who's death really begins Victor's physiological breakdown. What leads him to want to, really, defeat and overcome death.

On her deathbed. Her dying wish, she grabs their hands and tells Victor and Elizabeth it is her dying wish to see them wed. That she's always thought this, thought they were perfect together, and always wanted this. And please, I ask to really think on this, after all mentioned above.

We talk about when his father asks him, "Maybe you don't want to marry Elizabeth, maybe you've come to see her as a sister." And he said yes, he loves her and still wants to marry her.

Y'all. Maybe this is just my interpretation, but he had never been given a choice to think anything otherwise. His mother had never allowed anything else, had constantly shoved into their heads their relationship would be/was romantic. To the point they believed it.

Anything they felt towards each other, any affection, any love, was and had to be romantic.

After all, it was their mother, who raised them, put this into their heads as children and it was her dying wish for them to be married, so what else could it be?

Yes, it gets messy when you have to take in the time of things. That it is true, for the time, you were lucky to even just like the person you were to marry. Maybe that's what Caroline saw, saw two people that could marry, and the relationship wouldn't be horrible. But even if that was her reasoning, I don't think it makes her innocent. And I do think she greatly screwed both Elizabeth and Victor up.

Their relationship has then been put through much in adaptions. Victor gets put as a creep, sometimes outright predator to Elizabeth. The part connecting them as cousins or adoptive siblings gets cut out and they get put as the romantic couple.

Hell, look at Bride of Frankenstein. She's the beautiful, clearly all is good and Christian, humane option Victor Henry (because for some reason their names were switched) turns his back on. Which is wrong and evil and against God. And eventually, he comes back to, and they get to escape the tower, run off as the tower explores with the Monster, the Bride, and Dr. Pretorius in it. And have a happy ending. They're the romantic couple you're supposed to cheer for, as these movies set things up.

We have been made to veiw them, in many different ways. And sometimes I feel that affects how we then veiw them when looking at the novel. That's just some of the adaptions.

I do, again, think they loved each other. As best friends, as siblings.

Elizabeth deserved better. By her family, by, though I adore him, Adam himself who killed her in revenge for Victor destroying the to-be-reanimated body of his potential mate who may or may not have even liked him. By the time itself, she was born in. She got little time, and deserved better.

Victor cared for her, loved her as a sibling. If he did love anyone romantically in the novel, I do agree with, he romantically loved Henry. But believed he did love Elizabeth, and of course had to repress anything towards another man. But, that takes us on a whole other thing that can be discussed another time.

Thank you for reading all of this, my reasoning, my rambles. Again, my interpretation, but something I feel is not often talked about. In the aspect of Victor's and Elizabeth's relationship, how it came to be, how they thought of each other, I do believe, they were both victims.

As someone who tries to present explicit showcases of abuse, this attitude also seriously frustrates me. There's this attitude that, if you don't tip toe around it, then you are immoral. Like, I know for certain some people are going to read Infernal Serenade and come away with the brain dead take away that I condone SA and incest, completely overlooking the fact this all happens within a literal cult. Like yes, it is supposed to be deeply uncomfortable and make you hate the cult. The cult is commentary on the sexual abuse within the fanatical side of Catholicism.

As someone who also loves The Great Gatsby, I also hate that people completely overlook the entire point of that book, which was to show just how corrupt rich people are. Like yes, Gatsby is supposed to suck, Tom is supposed to suck, Daisy is supposed to suck, etc. Hell, even Nick sucks because he just goes along with everything, and this is the point. Framing is everything, and I am tired of the framing of stories constantly being ignored.