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let’s unpack what’s wrong with this

1.) “‘endos are trying to steal,’ first off, endogenic systems are not stealing. Anti-endos think they own the rights to the word “system” sorry, they don’t. no one does” while yes i agree, no one “owns” the word/phrase “system” that was not the context of the phrase “endos are trying to steal”, the whole post is about a tag that was made FOR traumagenic systems that was immediately overrun by endos

2.) “‘systempunk’ has devolved into a space full of hate and bashing endogenic systems and those who support them. Nobody with and actual brain that pays attention wants to associate being punk with being HATEFUL. Being anti-endo is not, and never will be punk, okay?” maybe the problem is that system tags were overrun with endo systems, some traumagenic systems (anti-endo or not) said “hey, we want a tag to ourselves where we don’t have to be around people who we either don’t agree with or we’re just straight up tired of seeing” and endos SAW that tag and went “oh a space made specifically for traumagenic systems? we want in!” despite the fact the tag ISNT FOR THEM. i cant talk about the whole punk argument and i wont even try because i don’t know ab it, but i can say that traumagenic spaces are for traumagenic systems regardless of the name. the point of the tag wasn’t the name, it’s the space.

3) "’that all pro-endos do is steal from real systems’ this phrasing right here implies that pro-endo traumagenic/DID/OSDD systems aren't real systems because they don't hate other plurals who's existence wasn't initialized by trauma. How are you going to sit here and FAKECLAIM other trauma survivors who don't agree with you being hateful by saying this? How does that look?” no, the OP is saying that time and time again endos like to infest spaces that aren’t made for them. they are not fakeclaiming. they are not being hateful. they are stating that endo systems decided a tag that was not made for them was theirs.

4.) “Every day anti-endos prove to us more and more that they're a hate group. Oh, and they love to project their actions. They're the ones doing the harm here.

Anti-endos stop harming the plural community challenge: IMPOSSIBLE” actually you’re the one who’s spreading the hate. you saw this post of someone stating that they didn’t like how a tag made for one group was being used by another group. you took it upon YOURSELF to take this post out of context, put words into OP’s mouth and ultimately were the only one spreading hate.

i try to be as kind as possible and i think some endo systems are completely valid but come one people, the point of the syspunk tag was to be traumagenic safe and endos are ruining it. if endos want to be accepted this is not the way to do it. if you guys want a tag, make a tag, dont use traumagenic system’s tags.

endos trying to steal systempunk only reinforces that all pro-endos do is steal from real systems lol

Let's unpack what's wrong with this ridiculous statement from an anti-endo:

1) "endos trying to steal" first off, endogenic systems are not stealing. Anti-endos think they own the rights to the word "system" sorry, they don't. No one does.

2) "systempunk" has devolved into a space full of hate and bashing endogenic systems and those who support them. Nobody with an actual brain that pays attention wants to associate being punk with being HATEFUL. Punks don't hate people. Being anti-endo is not and never will be punk, okay?

3) "that all pro-endos do is steal from real systems" this phrasing right here implies that pro-endo traumagenic/DID/OSDD systems aren't real systems because they don't hate other plurals who's existence wasn't initialized by trauma. How are you going to sit here and FAKECLAIM other trauma survivors who don't agree with you being hateful by saying this? How does that look?

Every day anti-endos prove to us more and more that they're a hate group. Oh, and they love to project their actions. They're the ones doing the harm here.

Anti-endos stop harming the plural community challenge: IMPOSSIBLE

auhhh your blog is so pretty. basic template, either dealers choice headmade or a dsmp fictive of your choosing if that's okay!!

cutter+alex, he/him

YEAHH thank you!! i will do my best to do the dsmp fictive, but ive never actually watched it, so it may be a little off LOL i hope its okay though!! i read a wiki page for it LMAOO feel free to take what fits and leave what doesnt :) also SORRYY if any of this doesnt fully fit! i had a hard time thinking of some stuff...

name: ranboo, boo, ran, ender, allium / allie, quill, rainbow, raine, riley, vinyl, clue, mystery, seeker, sage, asher, lucas, eugene, cedar, charlie, olive / oliver / oli, crypt, grim

pronouns: end/ender, end/ends, love/loves, red/reds, green/greens, heart/hearts, kind/kinds, trance/trances, walk/walks, peace/peaceful or peace/peaces, dual/duality, purple/purples, pur/purple, boo/boos, book/books, page/pages, particle/particles, eye/eyes, glow/glows, tape/tapes

age: ageless, appears as young adult

role: protector, emotional regulator, insomnia holder, dissociation holder, anxiety holder, conflict resolver, caretaker

genders: genderfluid, nonbinary, enderwalkic, cryptidcatgender, liminalic, vimemorin, reidrovex, lostpoeic, panicgender, endposgender, lossgender, endrian

orientation: asexual panromantic

species: half enderman, enderwalker, cryptid

personality overview: loving / caring towards friends, can be assertive when needed and usually in the defense of close people, likes to talk things out whenever possible and resolve conflict, protective of anyone considered close, forgiving, honest, wants to help others, forgetful at times, i could also see this alter taking up poetry / writing as a hobby :)

notable traits: insomniac, hard time making eye contact, dislikes being in water, verbal stims when stressed, likes to fidget with random objects and potentially collect things, loves animals... maybe has innerworld pet?

general aesthetic: softer, black and white, glitchcore maybe? or darker cottagecore / dark nature

add ons: ranboo introject

I HOPE ITS OKAY! sorry it took a bit, i was doing like actual research LMAOO

spirituality as a system is so funny because now i have to worry about introjecting a random deity. like what do you mean i can just be minding my business and now loki is in mybrain like PLEASEEE

gonna get a bit syscourse-y here, but... recently noticed kind of a weird hypocrisy in anti-endo arguments and wanted to point it out to see if others agree

for extra context, i have DID and im pro-endo id say?? my mindset is basically just "i dont get it personally, but live ur life dude(s), its not my business and im not gonna tell u what u are / arent" because like. i find it super hard to believe that DID and OSDD-1 are the ONLY possible causes for systems LOL... also i will be using the terms endo / endogenic as umbrella terms for all plurality outside of DID / OSDD-1 throughout this post

ANYWAYS THOUGHH... most harshly anti-endo spaces (or at least those that are pro-recovery) really emphasise that DID and OSDD-1 are more than just "alter disorders", which i absolutely agree with! DID and OSDD-1 are both complex dissociative disorders that include identity alteration (alters) as a SYMPTOM, but the disorders both fundamentally involve dissociation and impairment in daily life to some extent

BUT... then they are also so quick to say that endos MUST have DID / OSDD-1 if they have alters... but what about all the other symptoms? most endos i have met do not experience dissociation or other DID / OSDD-1 symptoms. claiming someone MUST have DID / OSDD-1 because they have alters would kind of be reducing the disorders down to just "alter disorders", right?

plus, it seems to be entirely ignoring the fact that you can have a symptom of a disorder without having the disorder / being disordered... lets use ADHD as an example here since its the first thing to come to mind LOL, someone can have a short attention span or be distracted easily without inherently having ADHD. it would depend on the presence of other symptoms as well as degree of life impairment. this logic also applies to any other disorder ever... so why dont we apply the same logic to DID / OSDD-1?

most endos i see dont claim DID / OSDD-1, and the ones that do are generally mixed origins. if we apply the logic that symptom ≠ disorder and that DID / OSDD-1 are more than just "alter disorders", why would someone not be able to have alters without a dissociative disorder?

IDK i hope this makes sense. feel free to reblog with any comments or anything i want to see others opinionz

i did a silly doodle of me and spins :) i love them so much augh!! /fam (<- yep, they're my sibling now >:) the scug instincts were stronger than me /silly)

It’s our birthday today. We turn 35. (Well, the body does. The majority of our headmates don’t really age right now. I don’t know if that will ever change.)

Birthdays are kind of complicated for us. We’re smooshed right up against Mother’s Day. That meant for a lot of our childhood, we were placed in situations with one of our major abusers. And as we have transitioned into adulthood, our inability to be a mother (parent in general) continues to be extremely painful for us. So it’s hard to feel celebratory on the day right after we have had so many conflicted emotions about celebrating and honoring our own mother and mourning the fact that we won’t ever be one ourselves.

But we’re going to try really hard to move past the weird feelings and celebrate ourselves this week. This WHOLE week. My planner is full of ways we can celebrate ourselves this week. And why it’s worth celebrating.

We’re gonna keep working on healing.

Because we deserve that.

.・✫・゜・。. ABOUT US!! We are a system of about 48 alters known in total. We are primarily feminine presenting, but do enjoy masculine presentation. ADHD + Autism + Bipolar Depression. System Name: Victorian Coven Collective Name: Vic Bodily Age: 18 Years Old Collective Pronouns: They/It/One CURRENT HOSTS!!

Silas/Silascent sign off: 🎧 source: brainmade

Asmodeus sign off: 🎲 source: brainmade INTERACT

LGBTQ+

respectful singlets

other systems

some Danganronpa fans

Monster High enjoyers

FNAF fans DNI

basic criteria (transphobes, homophobes, racists, etc.)

pro/com shippers

endo "systems"

fakeclaimers

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Uh... I think this subject to is touchy for some people? So. Uh. Tw/CW dormancy

No glue no Borax on how to go dormant with a system that isn't active, the host is the only one actively active and able to front. I think I just formed? Pretty quickly not sure idk if I'm just an emotion to hold said emotion, but this shit hurts and idk what else to do. My therapist is out and it's stupid to talk to her about it because there's nothing she can do about our problem.

-Veil [it/rot] †

Hello, have a good day everyone! Hold your head up high you deserve to feel and be happy!

-Doll

Even as someone who is pro-endogenic, I think it is important to say that the research done on DID, OSDD, and other trauma-based dissociative conditions is still valuable and important, even if you’re not a traumagenic system.

I’m not saying you need to be an expert or spend several hours reading so many books and peer-reviewed papers that you might as well have a PhD. I’m saying that having a basic grasp of concepts like C-PTSD, structural dissociation, and the core clinical models of trauma-based plurality will help you become a better ally to traumagenic systems, mixed-origin systems (like me), and traumatized endogenic systems.

I’ve noticed that some endogenic spaces have a tendency to either dismiss research on traumagenic systems as irrelevant or criticize it for not including endogenic experiences. But here’s the thing… that doesn’t mean the existing research is wrong. It’s just focused on a different population of people whose system formed because of trauma.

Research doesn’t extensively talk about endogenic or mixed-origin systems because those aren’t typically studied in a clinical (i.e., pathological) context. That doesn’t make our experiences less valid. It just means we exist outside the current research. And that’s okay. But it is still good to understand where traumagenic systems are coming from because not all of us are without trauma, and we need you as an ally. Especially if we want mutual respect and solidarity within plural spaces.

I think about this a lot because if endogenic spaces were a lot more like this a few years ago, I would’ve gotten support and found community a lot sooner. It has gotten a lot better since the last time I’ve been in plural spaces, but there is still more room to grow.

Can we stop saying people with covert DID/OSDD or other covert forms of plurality are privileged? Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t understand how suffering in a way that goes unnoticed is more privileged than suffering in a way that’s noticed.

Both have their ups and downs person-to-person. So what makes one more privileged than the other?

We always get reduced to our source except with our partner... Even our friends do it and it's really upsetting...

Sy doesn't like talking because he's reduced to his source but he's nothing line his source... Steve too... Billy was scared Dustin (our friend's) would hate him because their fictive are *very* sourcependent...

-c

Fictives and fictionkind deserve to be treated like normal people.

Fictives and fictionkind deserve understanding.

Fictives and fictionkind deserve to not just be reduced to their source if they don't want to.

Fictives and fictionkind deserve to have their feelings taken seriously.

coming onto tumblr and almost immediately across the endo/trauma syscourse is very fascinating bc like it's such a typical internet discourse? like a bunch of people making up words that don't mean anything just so they can get mad at people and play trauma olympics is so absurd you probably counld come up with it lol anyway don't let anyone tell you your experiences are not valid etc fuck sysmeds

Do any other hosts (especially ones that tend to be front stuck) feel like they don’t have an identity at all? Like, I know that I’m not Shekel, and I know that I’m not Monty, or Tamm, or *insert the list of headmates I know about* but I don’t know what I am.

I want to make a flowchart for when I’m blurry but I’m usually fronting on some level and I don’t know how to make an “Am I Jay?” section when I feel like the leftover scraps of everyone else. I don’t know what I look like on the inside because I figure I look like the body even though I have no connection to it (seriously, the not recognizing ourself in the mirror is bad).

I’m just the default setting. I know I’m a guy because of crippling dysphoria, and I like various things, but I have no way to figure out my identity when so much of it is other people.

we are the same, i don't have any advice personally, my only guess is that we have lots of "split spikes" during traumatic situations, and that could be happening to you if you are currently in a traumatic situation? that's our personal experience though, so take it with a grain of salt, we dissociate hard when thinking about being plural which makes it really hard to think about solutions. Good luck though!!

Here's the issue:

I writing this am part of a larger system, Wanderstars.

However I (personally) experience different personality and age states as headmates. We are all together in our own group.

If I attempt to push them all together and say "they're different emotions not different people" I spend all day dissociated not knowing who I am at all.

Either way, what I know logically is "happy" and "sad" and "lonely" are different people in the mind and it's how we need to be to function. They don't like being the same person together because they're not the same on some level. Switching between them is best described as monoconscious.

Does anyone have any advice or tips on like...slowing down crazy "splits" of these new fragments? I'm guessing to bring us all together will take serious therapy, since there are dissociative barriers in place for a reason, but in the meantime is there any way to keep us at a low number?

We are traumagenic. Wondering if this is any similar to the experience of any polyfragmented disordered systems? Or just similar to any of your experience.

Any response is welcome. Didn't think we'd be questioning plurality a second time.

- Wildflower Garden