kotlc fans should be called "keepers".
you agree.
reblog.
ID Dates. Remember when there was that random conversation in the middle of Neverseen and Forkle was like 'Oh, you're not actually 13 you're 14 because in elf we start counting life at conception. Birthdays? tf are those, we have ID dates which have no actual purpose.' And at first I thought this was just a poorly executed move to narrow the age difference and speed up Sophie's dating life, but re-reading it, the implication is that elves are pro-life, because the argument for that is that life begins at conception. I'm not sure if it was inadvertent or not, but does this mean elves are anti abortion? And does this mean Shannon Messenger is pro-life too? IDK, not sure how I feel about this one.
How can they not notice Oralie is Sophie's biological mum if they have both of their DNA?
Everything about abilities manifesting. Average age is 12-15 right? Imagine if when you manifested your voice cracked. That would 100% make the book better.
Tam and Linh's hair dye. Namely where do I get this stuff. But also...it's molten silver. Surely it would just burn off their hair. Imagine them attempting to make their super powerful statement and ending up with a pile of burnt hair mixed with goopy silver and Linh trying not to laugh while Tam stews.
Foxfire's school hours. It's well established that elves live across the globe, and with light leaping it's not hard to travel, but like, if they live all around the world, they all live in different time zones. So some kids would go to school when it's dark at home. How do they decide when? It's not talked about at all in the books and this annoys me a lot. Is there Elvin Standard Time?
I know that they make a big point in the books that they have no Human prejudices but I think that clearly they do. Everyone's a little weirded out by the fact that Sophie wears pAnTs and doesn't like dresses or glitter (which is scandalous and totally not common for millions of girls around the world) and clearly they don't have any boys who wear dresses or girls who shave their heads. All the girls and boys conform to stereotypically gendered forms of beauty. No muscular girls. No fat characters. No short boys. No feminine girls. No trans or gender neutral characters. What's up with that?
On that note it really feels like Shannon Messenger is becoming J K Rowling just a little. There are no openly gay or queer characters after eight and a half books so something smells a little funky there.
The crystal palaces. Where do they get all that crap from? There's a reason these are precious stones.
The nobility. Everyone acts like it's super exclusive but like, there has to be one mentor for each kid at Foxfire, because classes are individual, and there has to be hundreds of kids. So there's hundreds of nobility whose only job is to teach kids. Not even go on missions or emissary work or whatever.
This is just edition one everyone strap yourselves in.
Sophie: If you get in trouble I'll act like a lawyer to you
Keefe: Okay
*later*
Mr. Forkle: Keefe! Sit down on that chair, you're in trouble
Sophie: Deny everything
Keefe: That isn't a chair!
Just wrote my first fanfic in eight-nine years! Sokeefe, from Keefe’s perspective
I will never let the fact that Mr. Tam Song is a hard-core Sokeefe shipper die down.
The keeper fandom back to haunt me again
Omg guys release day XD I got my book preordered off Amazon and it’s *so good*
The movie we can only hope for tho…
Keefe: that's what family is
Keefe: people who can't kill you because they will be the first ones questioned
Sophie: no offense but your family is already killing you
Dex: only his mom at least
Sophie: no, one time cassius dropped him on his head as a baby
Dex: maybe it was an accident..........
Keefe: Have you met him?
Tam: well..... that explains a lot
Glimmer: what kind of a woman doesn't have an axe?
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Keefe: there is nothing gendered about a sexy cat.
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Sophie: I'm wired to thrive on dysfunction
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Fitz: I want someone to take me out
Tam: like on a date or with a sniper?
Fitz: surprise me
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Mr. Forkle to iggy in neverseen: do not blow this for us
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Biana: I think I just got stabbed by that guy
Fitz: oh yeah you did. You definitely did.
Dex: what's up? I got your text- oh my god biana there is a knife in you!!
Dex: Fitz did you stab biana?
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Linh: life is a party and I'm the piñata
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Fintan (in his ice prison): I'm not totally useless
Fintan: I can be used as a bad example
Marella: I can see that
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Maruca: how was i supposed to know there'd be consequences to my actions?
Wylie: *sighs*
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Sophie whenever something goes wrong: cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool
No, but keefe was the only one holding sophitz together in legacy ?????????
He wasn't even in the relationship
There should be a reality show on the elvin families before sophie.
Show me grady being fatherly with brant but also threatening him! Show me edaline disapproving of jolie and brant but loving them anyway! Show me kesler and juline showing middle fingers to the matchmakers and the councilors! Show me the councilors trying to make laws against each other (somebody ate all the mallowmelt)! Show me Cassius being an arrogant bitch ! Show me unicorns flinging shit at the hekses! Show me alden and della reading alvar bedtime stories! Show me prentice making wylie practice some mind defenses! Show me tiergen and leto accidentally giving some info on this "supposed" rebellion !
I probably can't fit all of the things i want to see but pLS
I swear to god the councilors are so fcking dumb that even gorgodon shit could handle the elvin world better than them.
They are literally an example of "smart individuals but when together there is not a single braincell present"
Rereading the kotlc books and realizing that magnate leto said "you kids" in everblaze and him being hurt and asking her if she really meant "that they shouldn't heal prentice" that was probably one of the accidental giant slips that the fork man referred to in the neverseen
Also the forklenator calling keefe a beauty in neverseen was absolute gold
It still gives me the icks that oralie just agreed to give up her child to the black swan, like no shade on them or anything but im not going to be comfortable with the knowledge that my child is probably going to be experimented on and face a LOT of trauma.
And she just told sophie "I did it because it was the only way I could ever have a child" like excuse me!!??! This a job that requires a lot of responsibility not something you can just check off from you to - do list.
And we know she was a councilor at that time and she probably wasn't resigning soon so she knew that sophie would be matchless
Oralie definitely deserves the way sophie is acting towards her (which isn't even that extreme)
So for all of you Kotlc fans(including me..), here's a thought------
At the beginning, S. messenger wrote in the first book: "Humans don't know about the existence of elves" BUT there was a "human assistance program" So on the basis of that--- here's what I think-----
(To Be Continued)
I drew Sophie Foster a bit ago and decided to post her on here :D
Nothing else really to add other than contributing to the fandom, oh, and hi, I'm new here!
Ngl i liked Fitz immediately as an eight year old cause his eyes are teal and teal is my favorite color i was honestly like: this one. Teal. Yes. Me like.
GUYS I CANNOT EVEN, I LOVEEEEEE THIS ARTIST
Sophie's Bedroom
A commission for Simon & Schuster and Shannon Messenger from a couple years ago.
Sophie: That cape is really working for you.
Keefe: Oh yeah?
Sophie: It’s working for me too.
Keefe: Are you.... flirting with me?
Sophie: Something like that.
Keefe: Finally!!! Do it some more!!!
https://archiveofourown.org/works/63113431/chapters/162684679
As someone cleverly surmised, I did make the poll’s because I was writing this fic and needed some help with who should be who.
so here’s a link to it on ao3
https://archiveofourown.org/works/63113431/chapters/161626207
Sophie: Don’t worry, I have a few knives up my sleeves.
Keefe and Edaline: I think you mean cards.
Sophie pulling Hope out of its sheath: I did not
“There will come a ruler, whose brow is laid in thorn
Smeared with oils like David’s boy, oh Lei oh Lai oh Lord”
kotlc inspired soldier poet king, I thought Sophie fit this the best haha let me know if I should make the other two
I think that Sophie Foster should finally die so she can get some much needed peace and quiet.
So, I've read TFOTA, KOTLC and PJO, and I'm sure many other people have done the same. I've been comparing Jude to Percy and Sophie for a long time, so I wanted to type it out and make an analysis. Here we go now.
One thing I find about Jude is that she's different from both Percy and Sophie in the sense that she's thrust into a hostile world where she had no friends and had to fend for herself pretty early on. Her parents are murdered right in front of her eyes and she's taken to Elfhame, and we know that the TFOTA faeries don't like humans-most of them at least.
And while Sophie is also thrust into an entirely different system, it's friendly to her. Yes, she misses her human family and Amy, but Shannon barely goes into this. Sophie's not harmed or looked down upon (except by a few people, and they're not that relevant.) In fact, she's quite important and gets a lot of help (along with a bunch of trauma, though. Not trying to downplay Sophie's experience).
Percy also discovers the world of demigods, but he doesn't have to leave much behind-the mythological and modern world are heavily intertwined, so actually gains something, which means that he can go on living his life like he used to, except with advantages now (except being hunted by monsters)
Which brings me to my first point-
Sure, she's Madoc's ward, but she's not his actual daughter. But she's a human in Elfhame-and we all know what that means. Those of us who have read the books, at least. Sure, being Madoc's adopted daughter gives her some protection, but it doesn't stop her from being glamoured and traumatized. It doesn't stop her ring finger's tip from being bitten off at 9 years old, by one of Madoc's servants no less, right in his stronghold. It doesn't stop the servants from mentally abusing her by making her feel inferior and telling her that she is lucky to be raised like this. Jude herself says that Tatterfell was probably considering pricking the former with a pin, implying that Tatterfell has done it before, which is still physical abuse. It doesn't prevent her from being drugged and danced around against her will at 11, and it doesn't stop her from being bullied by Cardan and Co.
Now moving onto Percy and Sophie-they had amazing support systems. Percy had Camp Half Blood. He was Poseidon's son, a Big Three Kid, and they're practically worshipped. He had so many friends at camp. He had Chiron and his mom Sally, who was an AMAZING parental figure. And then Percy had Paul. Percy also had Poseidon at times, though the latter rarely showed up-he still helped Percy quite a lot. Percy also had the gods. Artemis and Apollo helped him. Aphrodite helped him. Poseidon helped him. Dionysus helped him. Hestia helped him. Hera guided them through the labyrinth and made Percy's arrow fly perfectly. Hephaestus helps him too. The majority of the Olympian council has helped Percy, and without their help, he'd be nowhere. He also has magic, insane magic powers and he's pretty magically powerful, which Jude is not. She doesn't have any magic-the closest thing she has to it is the geas that makes her immune to glamours, and that Prince Dain placed on her when she asked him to. Percy is basically a Chosen One after all the other Big Three kids (Thalia-huntress, Bianca-dead and Nico-too young) are pushed out.
Sophie also has a great support system. She's got many parental and trusted authority figures-Elwin, Alden, Grady, Edaline and Della. She also has her friend circle-Keefe, Fitz, Biana, Dex, Wylie, Marella, Linh, Tam-which rapidly expands and the support of the Black Swan. AND she has powerful magic and is a chosen one like Percy. Something else that Jude doesn't have.
To summarise this, Percy and Sophie had great support systems that they could lean on and they were helped by others quite a lot (especially Percy) whereas Jude mostly helped herself.
Unlike Percy and Sophie, Jude doesn't have healthy parental figures either. But! you say. But she has Madoc! Madoc is not a healthy parental figure.
Jude loves him in an uncomfortable way, yes. He cares about her, yes. He insisted that she be raised like the Gentry Faeries-that she learn swordplay and strategy, wear beautiful gowns and attend Faerie revels. But he still murdered her parents right in front of her eyes when she was a child. He still ran his sword through her and left her out to bleed. He still abandoned her to die when he felt that she was a hindrance. He loves her, yes, and he would do a lot for her, but he is in no way a healthy parental figure. Oriana is not a parental figure to Jude. She's only Oak's mother. Not Jude's, not Taryn's, not Vivienne's. She is, in fact, normally cold and stand offish with them, though she can be helpful at times. Taryn is Jude's closest 'friend' and we know how many times she betrays Jude during the course of the series (Locke and Madoc). Vivienne is perhaps the healthiest relationship that Jude has (besides the Court of Shadows). She's a good sister who has come through plenty of times for Jude when no one else has, supplying her and Taryn with quick magic whenever necessary…… but even she has her limits. First of all, she doesn't want to stay in Elfhame forever. She understandably hates and doesn't want to live with her parents' murderer, but where else can she live in Elfhame? Even if she could live somewhere else, she doesn't want to, and wants to go back to the Mortal Realm. She stays for Jude and Taryn, then leaves for Heather. She is also somewhat selfish and doesn't listen to Jude either. She doesn't help Jude with politics either-Jude is able to trust Vivienne because the latter stays loyal to Jude, but only for so long till she tires and goes back to the Mortal Realm. And this is where I come to the Court of Shadows. Honestly, they're one of my favorite parts of TFOTA. Their relationship with Jude is amazing-BUT, hear me out. I'm talking about Jude for the whole decade that she lived in Elfhame, and she didn't even have the Court of Shadows for a fraction of that time. So yes, they're her best support system, even if The Ghost was under Locke and then Madoc's control for much of the series-and he showed remorse afterwards and apologised. Even if the Bomb tried to kill Jude because the former understandably thought that the latter was trying to kill Cardan-and she showed remorse afterwards and apologized. And there's no time when the Roach actively tries to harm Jude. Yeah, I love these guys' dynamic so much, I'd read a whole book on them. (Honorable mention for Fand here-while she was not Jude's friend, she was friendly with her and was Jude's first personal guard as Queen).
To summarise this paragraph, Jude didn't have a good support system her whole 10 years-Madoc's protection didn't always protect her, Taryn is self-explanatory and Vivienne could be selfish and had her limits as well. Except at the very end when Jude joined the Court of Shadows.
Percy and Sophie were also 'Chosen Ones'. Percy was the prophecy kid, the Savior of Olympus, and Sophie is the Black Swan's weapon. Jude is not a Chosen One-being a mortal in Faerie, she's quite the opposite. She's simultaneously at a high rung of a ladder due to being Madoc's ward and at a low rung, due to being a human among faeries. She never had any magical powers and was at a severe disadvantage due to this for most of her time in Elfhame until Dain gave her the geas.
To summarise this paragraph-Percy and Sophie were magically powerful 'chosen ones', something Jude was most definitely not-in fact, she was the opposite until she got Dain's geas.
Percy and Sophie were already at the top of the ladder-they only had to climb a few rungs, while Jude was quite lower than they were, though not at the very bottom, and she had to climb a whole lot more than they did.
These facts make Jude a more compelling protagonist than Percy or Sophie to some people.
TO CONCLUDE Now, I'm not trying to bash Percy or Sophie here-Jude had 10 years in Elfhame while Sophie barely has 3 years in the Lost Cities and Percy only has 2-3 years of training his powers. There's a difference between the appeal of Jude versus Percy and Sophie-the first one's appeal is a powerless person rising to power and the second appeal is being a powerful person, an important chosen one, and having people admire and look up to you. Both can appeal to different people and the same people. But protagonists like Jude have an appeal that protagonists like Percy and Sophie can never have.
I think Jude is somewhat like Luke-ruthless and willing to do anything to ensure her loved ones' safety, including killing. She also rebels against the system like Luke and changes part of it by breaking the mold to fit herself in there. I'm not sure whom she's like from KOTLC, but if I had to pick a person, I'd pick either Forkle or Fintan-ruthless, morally grey, willing to do a lot to break the system and get accepted.
Though she is WAYYYYYYY morally better than them-a lighter shade of gray, if you will. She would never kidnap and torture a bunch of children for information and she'd never leave them to find their own way home when the chances are quite low.
I also think, that if the circumstances mandated it, Percy could be as ruthless as Jude if required. I'm not quite sure about Sophie, due to the whole elf guilt mental break thing, but I think that she could also be ruthless like Jude if she can convince herself that it's for the greater good and her loved ones.
Whew, this might be my masterpiece post. Well, if you have any counter arguments, then feel free to post them.
Can we just have more of Sophie missing the human world?
Like........maybe she just remembers a band that she used to listen to, her favorite songs.
Maybe she remembers food that she liked, her favorite restaurant and dish, somewhere her family used to go often.
Maybe she's reminded of miscellaneous things from the Forbidden Cities, and maybe she tears up a bit, because she'll never go back, she'll never live there again, not with her family, and her parents will never remember her again, and even if Amy does, it just won't be the same, and she'll have to hide her interactions with Amy, because what if her parents see them and remember?
And maybe Flori whips something up that tastes like Sophie's favorite food, so that she can relive it again.
And maybe Dex builds random things to mimic the items from the Forbidden Cities.
And maybe when Keefe comes back, Sophie will bombard him with questions about the humans.
I know Shannon has a lot going on, but it just seems like Sophie adjusts really fast and doesn't care about the human world anymore. Feel free to contradict me, though.
Does anyone just really like platonic SoTam? Because Sophie with all the other boys just feels wrong and annoying due to the romance thing, but Sophie and Tam? Only platonic.
I'm a SUCKER for boy-girl platonic relationships and friendships. I love those. Shannon, more SoTam, please?