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Y'know how if there's a hot character in a movie/series/video game people will crush on them and idolize them?

"Then they're missing out. There is no video game character as cool as Frogger! Heck, he eats fly for breakfast... And trying to cross a busy road without losing his froggy life? Ooh! Talk about ribbiting."

Not saying LilyPaddton's got the hots for the Frogger frog, but... LilyPaddton's got the hots for the Frogger Frog.

Remus, nervous: Hey, uh... I drew Thomas...

Drawing: Non-creepy, realistic, black and white portrait of Thomas

Patton, eyes lighting up: Oh my goodness, kiddo, that's so good! You're a really talented artist!

Logan: You drew that? It's really good.

Thomas, pointing at it excitedly: That's me! That's so good! Oh my god

Janus: That's very impressive. You should be proud.

Virgil: Yeah, that's really good, dude. *kinda awkward but supportive thumbs-up*

Remus, eyes full of tears, turning to Roman: *whisper* Is this what it's like?

Roman: *solemnly sets hand on his shoulder*

Roman: Welcome to the 'I'm-Going-To-Keep-Creating-To-Chase-This-High-I-Get-From-Praise' Club.

Remus: Who else is in it?

Roman: All creators that crave validation. So... A helluva lot of people.

Conversation: Turns to Harry Potter

Patton: Hey Logan, what house do you think I would be in?

Logan: Oh well I'd say Hufflepuff

Patton: Why?

Logan, confused that he asked for elaboration: Well, Hufflepuffs are known for being friendly and loyal and liking a sense of community and family... Also your need to follow morals exactly and get confused because you don't know what morally right sometimes seems the most Hufflepuff to me...

Patton: Oh, that makes sense

Roman: What house would I be?

Logan, realizing they actually want to hear him rant about his hyperfixation, lighting up: Well—

Supposed To Be A Family (Moceit)

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The six sides were supposed to be a family. They were supposed to disregard the labels 'light' and 'dark' and be one group of people.

For a while, they were. Then a fallout happened between two sides, and they were divided.

Can they move past it? Can they become a family again? Can they finally reunite their 'Mama' and 'Dad,' who raised the rest of them?

(My first tss fic go easy on me! It's really short)

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Supposed To Be A Family (Sanders Sides)

The six sides were supposed to be a family. They were supposed to disregard the labels 'light' and 'dark' and be one gr...

Just kicked my brother's ass in Wii sports boxing, which was funny because my Mii is Patton, so new headcanon: Patton is super good at boxing but just hasn't mentioned it to the other sides until somehow Roman ropes him in to boxing with him and Patton just knocks him tf out

Me, baking anything: For Patton

Me, taking my meds and drinking water: For Janus

Me, making art and writing creatively: For Roman

Me, removing myself from stressful situations and listening to music: For Virgil

Me, reading and learning about new things: For Logan

Me, sharing random and strange facts with my loved ones as a sign of affection: For Remus

Me, managing to be a functioning person: For Thomas

Side Theory

Thomas said he's 'all rainbow, all the time,' and we used that as a basis for the orange and green side theories before Remus was revealed and orange was pretty much confirmed, right?

He said this as a joke with him being gay, right?

The gay pride flag is typically seen as just red/orange/yellow/green/blue/purple.

However, Thomas has Patton and Logan: the version with two shades of blue, light and dark. The one closer to the original.

And what's known as the original pride flag (Gilbert Baker's pride flag) itself had eight stripes. Pink/red/orange/yellow/green/blue/blue/purple.

May I introduce a new theory:

The Pink Side?

@ Sander Sides Fans:

Does this look like an accurate depiction of @thatsthat24 's filming setup? (It's for writing purposes I'm not a creep; I know it's not exactly to scale I more mean the placement of everything)

I am not going to simp for a fanon adaptation of an aspect of Thomas Sander's personality, I am not going to simp for a fanon adaptation of an aspect of Thomas Sander's personality, I am not going to simp for a fanon adaptation of an aspect of Thomas Sander's personality, I am not going to simp for a fanon adaptation of an aspect of Thomas Sander's personality, I am not— FUCK I'M SIMPING FOR A FANON ADAPTATION OF AN ASPECT OF THOMAS SANDERS'S PERSONALITY

Nobody Asked, But If I Could Say One Thing To Each Of The Sides, They'd Be:

Roman: We appreciate you. Not everything you make has to be the work of Adam (Driver). It's okay to mess up. You aren't just Thomas's hero; you're the hero of a lot of fans too.

Orange: TBD. (Right now, 'Come out, come out, wherever you are!')

Janus: Thank you. Also, I think your name is awesome.

Remus: You aren't evil. You're just as important as the other sides.

Patton: It's okay to say 'I don't know.' You aren't supposed to have all the answers. You aren't letting anyone down.

Logan: I listen when you're talking, and I learn from you, and I know a lot of other fans do. You can show your emotions, we know you have them. We'll always take you seriously.

Virgil: We love you. You've never been the villain— you've always been looking out for Thomas's safety.

(I know some of them aren't really 'one thing' shh)

(I know Remus is as important as everyone else because @thatsthat24 doesn't make one-dimensional sides. All the sides are like onions: they have several layers and once they're revealed you usually start crying)

Believe It Or Not, Deceit Is Good At His Job

Let's ignore that Janus is mostly self-preservation at this point rather than 'Deceit'

Everyone seems to think Janus is a really bad liar. For example: when he imitated Logan, he wore the wrong tie, said 'lies,' and used an idiom.

But then when Virgil showed up, he snapped at him for 'ruining his dramatic entrance.' He totally expected them to figure him out. He planned it, because he's too Extra to just show up as himself.

More proof:

Selfishness vs Selflessness redux. Nobody knew he'd replaced Logan until he told them. He had them completely fooled, as well as the majority of the viewers, I'm sure.

Selfishness vs Selflessness. Yeah, we all knew Patton was off, but how many of us actually figured out it wasn't Patton?

Virgil knew, because he knows both Patton and Janus seemingly well, but considering the Janus/Virgil dynamic, I am near certain he did that on purpose.

Would Patton have messed up referencing famous philosophers? Yes. Did Janus know that? Most likely. However, his knowledge impressed Logan, and Janus wanted the other sides to take his side. He probably figured if he got Logic on his side everyone else would follow but then realized how little they listen to Logic.

Every bit he did that wasn't exactly Patton-like, I am certain there was a clear, intentional reason behind it, even if it was just to annoy Virgil by letting him be even more sure it was actually Janus. 'Friendo'? Come on. Patton's literally the dad character. There's no way that wasn't intentional.

"Is C!Thomas capable of such deception?" you ask, because he is a bean.

Yes. No, C!Thomas doesn't lie on a regular basis or anything. But he. Is. An. Actor. Actors can lie. They can deceive.

Just because he only does it on the stage, doesn't mean his sides can't use that skill whenever. I also believe his skills in acting have a lot to do with Janus in addition to the Creativitwins but that's for another time

In conclusion: Janus can lie.

Thing I Noticed

Virgil: I freaking hated everything about this.

(Patton: Hoo, I was afraid of what you meant by "strong language".)

Virgil: Do not allow him or any of... his friends... to stick around that long ever again.

Thomas: Okay, but what—

Virgil: Ever again! Cool?

Thomas: Cool.

Virgil says this, speaking about Janus. We know that Remus is considered a friend of Janus's, however, he said 'any of his friends.' Plural.

This implies that Janus has another friend, other than Remus. Considering the split dynamic of sides, and how light sides and dark sides so far haven't been friends (though they are warming up to Janus now), it's reasonable to assume that Janus's other friend is a dark side. There are three dark sides we know of, and Virgil obviously isn't speaking about himself (he doesn't consider Janus a friend anyway).

So, with this in mind, there's two possible options:

1. There's another dark side

2. Virgil/Thomas misspoke and I'm reading way too into this

Good morning! I'd just like to point out:

[Patton]: First, we'll need someone to practice on...

[Logan]: But who?

[Patton]: Each other?

(After they all swear to tell the truth during the trial scene and Janus takes the bibles/misc objects back away)

[Patton]: Okay, so, we kiss now? Or...?

Bonus:

[Patton]: Aww, there's so much cool stuff they've done for us online, kiddos!

[Roman]: Oh yeah?

[Patton]: There's some really neato artwork of us all AND some writing as well! Say, what is a "ship"?

[Logan]: Seriously, Morality, you don't know what that is? It is a craft designed for water travel.

[Virgil]: Even Prince knew that.

[Roman]: Yeah, even I knew that.

[Patton]: Oh, ok! It does not look like that, but ok.

I just want to point out those all happened in canon. That is all.

QUESTION SANDER SIDES FANS:

Please help me I don't know what this joke means and I can't find an explanation anywhere:

[You call those witty?]

Patton: Well, you call those glasses?

[I mean yes, I'm not sure if you're implying some—]

Patton: Well, I don't think they'll pick up, they don't have a cell phone! ZING!

ROY-G-BIV? No, my rainbow is R?J-R-PLV

Remus is normally quite the trickster around the Mind Palace, but the holidays have made him a straight up nuisance.

He is hellbent on putting mistletoe over every single area that Patton and I happen to be in. God forbid we stay in the same place together for more than thirty seconds.

And the others don't even discourage it!

Consistently, Roman pulls out his phone to record us, Janus encourages us to "follow the tradition," and Virgil just laughs at us!

THEORY TIME

okay so if you’ve seen the clip, this is from the VERY first Sanders sides video, right?

Logan mentions procrastination as being one of his flaws

Patton mentions selfishness being another

And Roman mentions him not being very adventurous

Now, I know you guys are thinking what I’m thinking, but let’s bring more to the table, about ALL of these:

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We know Roman is referring to Anxiety, which is his hinderance when it comes to performing his function by fear tactic and, well, anxiety towards certain activities and opportunities.

Then you’ve got Patton, who’s obviously referring to Deceit, who’s main appearances are trying to get Thomas to perform something selfish or considered to be such by Patton, hindering Patton’s function.

Then you’ve got Logan, who mentions a side of Thomas that’s more so assumed than they are represented: his lazy side.

//If I wanted to go off more on this tangent, Logan does call all of these things flaws like Thomas called Janus a flaw to his face in SvS redux (Putting Others First) and I’m totally not salty about that one//

//can I also say that every single episode could be interpreted to reflect on something already mentioned in the first episode— but that’s just food for thought//

(I’d also like to say that Remus is rarely, if at all mentioned prior to his episode, but his text will be green regardless)

If we’re to take this episode by episode, the first one obviously covered (although not completely extensive)

(All the colors stand for who is HINTED at the most, not who was present, although sometimes overlapping)

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In Way Too Adult, Patton literally insinuates by the first minute that Thomas is lazy, by laying claim of his complaints that he cannot cook, and his lack of attempts at doing so, fueling the idea that OJ (the orange side, as I’ll use from here on out) is Laziness/sloth/procrastination.

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Taking on Anxiety: we literally get Virgil. And, oddly enough, he comes up a lot like Remus does. He shows up “uninvited.” Anyway, he really does put on the “I’m really enjoying your suffering” type of deal in the episode and by Gd I missed it that differentiates him from the other sides. As we learn later, he’s a ‘dark side’ yadda yadda.

Anyway, the first person that Thomas summons to combat his anxiety is Roman— not Logan to logic his way out, not Patton to make him feel better, but Roman— and from the episode, to hope and wish him away.

So, it’s clear from this episode onward in the series that Roman and Virgil are tied just like Patton and Janus from Can Lying be good, but we’ll get there.

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A New Year of Lying to Myself: this episode originally started off with Patton telling Thomas about all the responsibilities he has been procrastinating, hinting again at its existence— but mostly becomes a gigantic hint at Deceit, coming namely from the side with the most experience with the guy— Virgil.

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Dark Side of Disney is namely just solidifying the relationship between Roman and Virgil (with the hint at Deceit with “lying and deceiving their way right into the castle and getting the princess,” which, we all can agree was deliberate word choice. As well as the next scene where they debate the Fox and the Hound, Virgil arguing that society in the film is absolute sh*t (excuse my language), just as Deceit later argues in SvS. And, the lawyer thing with the Little Mermaid, but that might be a stretch lol.

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IM IN A DISNEY SHOW: it’s just the sides fanboying and we love it

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Mind vs. Heart: Logan and Patton going at it, the only potential hints being at Deceit for Thomas’ overall lack of self care and prioritization of other people, covered in SvS Redux— with oddly enough Logan arguing to prioritize Thomas, then others. This video was like an introduction to the entirety that was Deceit’s character arc. Huh.

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Alone on Valentines Day: starts off clean with Virgil telling Patton not to lie to Thomas, but overall Virgil has the most influence over the conversation. Anxiety existed within Thomas whether he was there or not. He got to state his opinions and ended up making a point and helping Thomas, making this episode more so about his contributions. (And the small build of Roman and Virgil’s relationship—)

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Losing my Motivation: literally, and I quote; “I DONT KNOW, LOGIC! I KNOW IT DEFIES..... Logic. I’m just a textbook procrastinator!” If that isn’t OJ I don’t know what is. And, Logan is the one to call him out. Logan goes on to say that procrastination is not the cause, it is the effect, which could be implying that OJ as a side is the result of the others leaving or being introduced to Thomas. It’s even in the title.

There is the small bit of “I’m not ALWAYS the bad guy” Virgil angst but that’s not the point—

There’s also the knife thing and Roman using a nickname used as an insult which reminds me of Remus but I digress.

There’s ALSO the snake hint that Logan mentions as a paradox but I’m just taking stabs at anything at this point

Anyway, Logan (awww this was his name reveal) really does work on the issue addressed in this video— by developing a life management system to create a more productive and healthy Thomas, which, he ends up rementioning in SvS.

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Q&A: Logan and Roman both for strike just a little Anxiety to Patton by telling him to not screw up, but that’s not the most important thing in this. Anxiety does show up, and is invitied to stay! :D

We learn Roman is attempting self love we know how that turns out, a few other small factoids about the sides, and funny stuff we all really enjoyed, but other than that, there is little— aside from:

Thomas made two individual references to getting to know the sides better in this episode, including learning their names and “hopefully we get to learn a little bit more about them in videos to come!” Which could refer to their individual traits, their issues, or potential relationships (siblings, dark sides, etc)

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Am I Original?: we are introduced to the idea of Full Creative Control, which, with the introduction of Remus, could mean A.) he was deprived of power in this episode, or B.) we have the potential to see it come out in Remus, or has already come out due to Thomas being out of sorts, giving Remus all the power he needed, with Deceit’s help.

Also Roman angst

(I highlighted this green based on the theory— there isn’t much that has to do with non-introduced sides in this video ngl)

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My NEGATIVE Thinking: Small Batman reference, and Deceit ends up making one as well in Embarrassing Phases, but again little connection. Anxiety takes a primary role in this, while Logan ‘dukes’ him out in a debate-like setting. (Overall I’ll give it to Virgil as it is more of an argument as to who holds more ground in the situation, but there are references all around)

In the video, Logan covers Cognitive Distortions, describing Virgil’s input as “Bad Imagination,” which could be a reference to Remus, but again, a bit of a stretch. (We’re also introduced to the idea the Creativity can be, physically and metaphorically, bruised, taking Roman out for the video, implying that Remus could as well be bruised to an extent, so angst writers do what you will with that information)

Productivity was covered in the second question, in which Logan was GOING to answer fully, before Virgil called out his answer to be unclear, asking him to answer honestly multiple times over, distorting the conversation and Virgil taking control. Logan also mentioned Virgil’s ’Silver tongue,’ a trait primarily attributed to Deceit and Virgil hissing but that’s beside the point.

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Growing Up: Intro was about procrastination— and, what he has to accomplish as he gets older. They compare Thomas’ achievements to that of their friends, and how he hasn’t accomplished much, which could be a nod to his lack of productivity, I.e., OJ.

They accuse Patton of allowing the lack of Productivity, which, is odd because of the second video, which shows him being the leading force in eliminating laziness.

There’s the bit about Virgil saying Thomas looks like the ‘Man’ and that he wants to fight him, which could be a reference to his disliking of societal heiarchy, which could have been instilled in him by Deceit.

The Mind palace, might I add, could probably come into later use as more sides appear and are instituted into videos— but that’s just an Hypothesis. (And Patton’s name!)

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Making Some Changes: we’ve never really discussed on the idea that Patton gets confused, like, Chronically confused and emotional with excessive change— which may have come into play in more recent episodes that ever noticed.

Anyway, Virgil takes a stand in this episode as well— ‘siding’ (bu-dum tsss) with Patton on the issue of change which is a thing in Deceit’s playlist but I digress, saying that the lack of steady constants is stressing Thomas out, being away from his friends, which affects Virgil and Patton specifically.

Many single-central-column-wall breaks later and Virgil complains to Thomas as to why this doesn’t feel right, all the talk on Change, and Thomas closes up by saying he loves each of them just the way they are and later hating the way Remus and Janus are.

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Becoming a CARTOON: Patton says woopsie-doodles, something Deceit ends up saying in the bloopers for SvS but that irrelevant

Not really many references in this video— only Virgil being frustrated to be the Bad guy, which, was a good building block for the next video— Accepting Anxiety pt. 1

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A few last things: people who write the subtitles; stop adding excessive things— they contribute nothing and make it harder to read the dialogue.

I would like to personally thank @beautiful-doom for OJ as the name for the Orange side, which, I find hilarious and cannon until proven otherwise.

Okay! This is 15/30 of the videos, analyzed and gone over for hints. I’ll come to more of a conclusion after I’ve watched the other 15 and analyzed them for references and hints. Please, go over these and add anything I may have missed!

See you in Part 2 of this post!