Wyll Bg3 - Blog Posts

Gotta say, overall? Love most Astarion ships— but Wyllstarion is so precious to me. Like,, look at them!! The duo!! Like Yin and Yang!!! Fancy storybook prince and creature of the night!! Look at them!! And they help each other!!! THEY HELP EACH OTHER!!!

Astarion being Astarion aka dramatic over something to see what would happen:

Wyll staring at him with pure love and adoration, knowing whatever the other is saying is completely stupid but look at him go: :)

Astarion who immediately falters the second Wyll even smiles earnestly at him: æ

and also Astarion and Shadowheart dynamic is really interesting in my opinion. (Though to be fair I just love Shadowheart and think she’s great with everyone.) I think they could have such a sweet like redemption together and relationship. But also they totally are the type to just start wrestling or tripping each other on purpose because “you stole my mascara >:(“ and being passive aggressive about it.

Ok but honestly most of the Durge romances in my opinion are cute

Like,, Lae’zel and Durge? LOVE THEM LOVE THOSE TWO RECOVERING FROM BEING FORCED TO BELIEVE THEY WERE ONLY USES WERE BEING WEAPONS!! FINDING SOLACE IN ONE ANOTHER?? LOVE ME SOME OF THAT!!

Astarion and Durge? LOVE THOSE IDIOTS!! TRAUMATIZED DUMBASSES BEING EACH OTHER’S SUPPORT AND BECOMING BETTER PEOPLE!! CONCERNED STABBING PARTNERS MAKING A NEW FUTURE FOR THEMSELVES?? HELL YEAH!!

Wyll and Durge? LOVE THEM!!! PROTECTOR OF THE PEOPLE AND EX-DESTROYER OF THE PEOPLE?? HAVING FAITH IN ONE ANOTHER?? BELIEVING THE OTHER TO BE THE DEFINITION OF GOOD??? LOVE IT!!!

Gale and Durge? LOVE THEM!! UNCONDITIONAL LOVE AND DEVOTION AND SHOWING EACH OTHER WHAT TRUE CARE AND LOVE IS?? LOVE THEM!!!

Minthara and Durge? LOVE THEM!! ACCEPTING THE OTHERS REGARDLESS OF FLAWS AND SEEING THE OTHER AS BEAUTIFUL AND PERFECT AND SUPPORTING?? LOVE THOSE TWO!!

Halsin and Durge? FINDING COMFORT IN ONE ANOTHER AND HAVING TRUST AND REASSURING EACH OTHER OF THEIR GOODNESS?? AUUUGGH!!!!

Karlach and Durge? ‘EFF IT!! LETS GO BEAT UP THAT GUY WHO SCREWED YOU OVER AND ALSO BEAT UP MY SISTER WHO SCREWED ME OVER AND THEN LETS GO TO THE PARK AND CUDDLE!! LOVE THESE TWO!! THEY DESERVE TO KISS AND HUG AND JUST TO BE HAPPY!!

okay but dark urge and Shadowheart romance and friendship is just so sweet to me and not talked about enough

like look at those two traumatized amnesiac murder babies!! look at them recovering and becoming better than what their gods made them!! look at them!! they’re holding hands!! and defying the gods!! look at them!! good for them!!

An Eve of Frivolity [Erik (Tav) & Wyll Ravengard]

A last minute decision to join in on Redelice's BG3 Halloween Ball event with Erik & Wyll~

As my first BG3 romance and full campaign, they deserved it! Also in time for Wyllvember! Love these boys so much~

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I miss my fiancé (fictional Baldur's Gate 3 companion Wyll Ravengard)

About Wyll and his horns

Well, let's say I was writing a part of my Tav's story with Wyll directly connected to the dialogue he has during the tiefling party, and while struggling with this bit, I've realized there's quite a few misconceptions floating around. I felt compelled to add information to the table that might clear them, so here we go.

First, what exactly happens to Wyll when he disobeys Mizora in act one? Well, he doesn't get turned into a devil, he certainly doesn't get turned into a tiefling, he's not a half fiend, not a demon, none of that. Wyll stays human, but he has horns and red eyes (and other features we can't see on his model as of now).

(Everyone has their race listed, Wyll's remains "Human")

This is because when a warlock fails to uphold some part of their contract they can suffer a certain number of consequences, Wylls is “The character grows horns, a tail, or some other devilish features that can't be removed by any means short of divine intervention. As long as these marks persist the character detects as a fiend when subjected to Detect Evil and Good spells or similar magic.” ( from Baldur's Gate: Descent into Avernus, page 214)

And I’ve come across some people that think it wasn’t so bad of a punishment, that he was being racist towards the tieflings, or just not being justified in being upset after having his body forcibly changed against his will. I think they are missunderstanding just how insidious Mizora’s actions were, and here I just want to give some context to maybe bring a better understanding to the situation. Your conclusions are up to you.

Gonna start by using a not exact analogy, but I think it’s going to make the explanation easier. Stick with me for a minute.

Remember Jack Sparrow in Pirates of the Caribbean? He had a branded “P” on his arm that marked him as a pirate. A murderer, robber, criminal, etc. in the eyes of the society he was a part of. What did Jack do to earn the branding? (if you don’t know this I suggest you look up the “people aren’t cargo mate” scene) He refused to transport slaves and later freed them, and Beckett had him marked as punishment.

Then, in the first movie, he saves Elizabeth, a woman he didn’t know, from drowning. Right after however, when Norrington sees he has a branded “P”, he’s like “alright, off to jail with you, and then hanging”, no other option crosses his mind. Again, Jack doesn’t know Elizabeth, isn’t indicated to think he is going to be rewarded for helping her, he just sees a drowning person, sees that no one else is going to help, and chooses to save them. That is a pretty selfless/good aligned thing to do, for no other reason that he was the one able to do it, yet the branding in his arm overrides any good action he could ever do, marking him as a criminal for execution and no further thought.

In a way, that’s what Mizora did to Wyll; she forever visibly branded him as someone that has made deals with devils, and that in the world of DnD is a VERY BAD THING. And I really like the mod that gives him more devilish features, don't get me wrong, but I think there was something clever about choosing to leave him looking more human. He can’t be confused with a tiefling, he doesn’t have the ears, the claws, the tail, all those features that characterize them. He looks kind of uncanny, and that would be like a red flag for anyone in that world. (Beyond the already existing hate for tieflings that I’m not gonna tackle on here because it’s a complicated thing that deserves its own post). And Wyll wants to do good, he wants to help people, to be a positive force in the world so, so badly. This dude got abducted by a nautiloid, got tadpole’d, and the first thing he did right after that was come across the Tiefling refugees and be like “Oh you need help? No worries let me teach you self defense. Oh you being attacked by goblins? Let me blast them real quick”. His way of saying fuck you to all the awful things that have happened to him is being aggressively good and kind. Mizora knows this very well, wants to see him suffer for her amusement, wants to remind him he can't escape her claws, so her choice of punishment was to forever taint his future interactions with mistrust and suspicion. Some people can go real fast from “oh thank God they saved me” to “oh no, are they gonna rob me, are they trying to trick me, are they in cahoots with the ones that attacked me first?” just because of outward appearances. Especially in DnD world. And that deserves its own conversation, but we're focusing on Wyll here.

(Mizora, when I catch you Mizora)

“Well, maybe he shouldn’t have made a deal in the first plac- - “ He was seventeen, alone, preyed upon by Mizora and put in an impossible situation. Please PAY ATTENTION to the story you’re witnesing.

Anyway.

About the tieflings. I know it’s easy to think his words can be derisive towards them, but it’s less about the horns and more about his body being changed against his will. Imagine instead that he got half his face burned, or something that disfigured him. I think his feelings at the moment were closer to that, and yeah they are pretty insensitive words to say to someone with a similar condition (horns or disfiguration), but when feelings are fresh and raw like that it’s easy to say insensitive things. Not saying it was ok for him to say those things, but ther was no malice in his words. I’ve also seen some people share that they think Mizora wanted to change him more to make him unrecognizable to his original self, the Wyll Ravenguard kid, and I think there is some truth to that too. She wants to make sure that Wyll remembers that he belongs to her, there's no question to that.

(MIZORA, WHEN I CATCH YOU MIZORA)

Whether the Tieflings refugees would feel unsettled by Wyll or not? Yes. In a way, they would. From reasons aside from the ones I explained above, remember that these specific tieflings come from Elturel. If you didn’t pass the History check or don’t remember, Elturel is a city that was literally ripped from the land and dragged to Avernus, First layer of hell (it left a hole on the ground and everything) because their mayor made a deal with the Archdevil Zariel some decades back in the timeline. He sold the souls of all its citizens and the city itself.

This was probably one of the worst times of their lives. Some even got captured and forced to participate in the blood War, like Dammon as a mechanic. And after Elturel got returned to the surface, the tieflings lost their homes because they reminded the other citizens of the literal Hell they’d just gone through, and they kicked them out. And remember, they met and saw Wyll as a human, and then saw him with horns. It’s not unreasonable to think that by looking at him they would be reminded of all the events that led them to the awful situation they’re in. Because of someone that was making deals with devils, just like Wyll. Even if his situation is completely different. And Wyll knows that, that’s why he tells you the tieflings are unsettled by him and chooses to stay away during the party.

It was never just about the horns.

And I know Wyll calls himself a devil but I think it’s because it’s the closest thing he looks as; devils are a whole different race with their own intricacies, although humans can be turned into devils ONCE their souls go to Avernus and they start climbing the power hierarchy there (Mizora and Raphael are cambions/ half-devils btw, which is a different thing,  there are plenty of videos exploring those details more in depth).

Do I think Larian should have made some of this information clearer/easier to access? Maybe? but to be fair, it's a game focused and dedicated to a crowd that was already somewhat familiar with the source material, that blew up waay out of what they originally expected to reach. Hopefully they’ll add some clarifications like they did to other quests. 

Anyway these are my two cents to the conversation, have a nice day, and don't hesitate to add your two cents if you feel like it!