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It's like C L O C K W O R K !!!!!
Guess what just dropped in light of Karlie announcing her investment in women's basketball today and @gardengate-lor discovery that from Karlie attending the NY Liberty basketball game to Taylor and Caitlin Clark interacting at the Chiefs game it was exactly 3 months 18 days apart.
Caitlin "repping" Taylor. She said it herself
What "coincidental" timing that is. I wonder how antis are going to spin this one because it is so painfully obvious Taylor and Karlie are in collaboration. This many coincidences don't just happen like cmon.
Announced SAME DAY
I cannot emphasize this enough…
I FUCKING LOVE YOU, KARLIE KLOSS
you know how to ball 🏀
They faces killing me why neither gaf
karlie x japan✨
remember when taylor played a mashup of robin and never grow up on july 10th last year that was so out of pocket 😭
Buckle up, fam, because I have a theory, comprising a lot of different threads I’ve been piecing together for a while now
Yesterday, TaylorNation posted a bunch of lyrics from different albums on Instagram and Twitter.
I knew that something was up the second I saw this lyric from Speak Now, for two reasons.
1. This lyric is incorrect. It should be “I hope you remember.” This is a pretty big error to make .
2. This is the only lyric that uses multiple fonts. And I thought that font looked familiar…
Because it did. It’s the exact font as “swooping sloping cursive letters” from the Paris lyric video.
I think this is just one part of a lot of Easter eggs and threads pointing to TS 12 as a coming out album.
I’ve been a comingoutlor since the Lover era, and I’ve believed that TS12 will be a coming out album since 2022, when Taylor first told us to meet her at midnight.
Let’s unpack, shall we?
1. Taylor has been hinting at TS12 for a while now, since at least the Karma music video. At the end of the video, we see the clock tick to midnight IN BETWEEN 1989 and Reputation.
2. I remain a karma truther, and I think the Man wall is still relevant here - Karma is on the wall twice, once in black (Karma the song) and once in orange (for the lost album). I don’t think it’s a coincidence that orange Karma is at the 12 o’clock position on the wall.
This also fits with the 🎃 anon note about how she has written “a story in 11 parts.” 🎃 sent that in May of 2023, and a year later Taylor closed out TS11 with the words “the story isn’t mine anymore.”
TS12 will be the start of a new story. A Brand New story.
I do think TS12 will be an orange/lesbian flag album. It might be called Karma, or it could just represent Karma to Taylor - all the years of cages and hiding and hurting, all leading to this moment. It’s been a long time coming, and it’s coming back around.
3. On October 18, 2024, Taylor posted a video on her Instagram of herself in a stadium. She walks 11 steps, stops in front of section A12, pauses, removes her sunglasses (I’ll come back to this) and then takes steps 12 and 13.
I think this video was signaling that there would be a pause after TS11 (which we are currently in) and then TS12 would follow.
Note that she is also holding Olivia, because Karma is a cat!
Now, everyone has been clowning for the AMAs for a while now, and I have been too! Taylor’s website literally spells out AMAs, and there are 12 items on sale for 26% off. (The AMAs are on the 26th this year). TaylorNation also seems to be pointing in that direction.
The AMAs just so happen to fall on the 2 year anniversary of the Karma music video.
This is especially suspicious given Ice Spice’s random video last year where she was not only reading a magazine from 2015 with Karlie Kloss on the cover, but she was also wearing bright orange slippers and had pink and orange vases behind her.
Here is where it gets a little crazy, stay with me.
Karlie has predicted every single album release over the last few years.
On March 16, 2025, Josh posted this: (I ran out of images for mobile, continued in my reblog)
I've always been fascinated by Taylor's lyrics that imply friends to lovers and childhood/teenage sweethearts trajectory and creating a story that spans decades and eras..
And while many of her earlier songs may be written for some other paramours, I still have so many lingering questions/thoughts
Taylor’s first time attending a runway show was Tommy Hilfiger’s Spring/Summer 2010 in September 2009—and funny enough, it was also one of Karlie’s shows. They both wore the same shade of red too. After that, a lot of the fashion shows Taylor showed up to either had Karlie walking in them or had her at the same parties. Some of these appearances even happened in the middle of Taylor’s tours, during those rare one-week breaks—she’d spend them in NYC, Paris, or sometimes London (I think?).
In one interview, Taylor mentioned spending a lot of holidays in St. Louis because some of her relatives still live there—side note: her grandma Marjorie actually grew up in STL.
Karlie showed up at the 2013 Grammys before she and Taylor were publicly seen together in November that year. It was right in the middle of New York Fashion Week—she flew to LA for the Grammys after walking some shows, then flew straight back to keep walking more. I know she was there for MTV’s House of Style, but I still wonder why that was such a priority. Also, Taylor performed “We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together” that night.
“Wildest Dreams” was written in October 2013 (so... who exactly was tall and handsome as hell back then?). “How You Get the Girl” came in January 2013. And “You Are in Love” was written and recorded in January 2014, before Big Sur. So yeah, the 1989 timeline is kinda sketchy.
And when Karlie went to the Eras Tour, she wore a bracelet with an “Enchanted” charm. Like… if you supposedly have songs linked to you from five or six different albums, why choose that bracelet?
For her first Vogue US feature Taylor was documented saying "I love Karlie Kloss. I want to bake cookies with her" unprompted by the interviewer. Others would consider this a soft-launch.
Also—how does she even calculate all those 8s and 3s? There’s no way those are just random coincidences.
Why hide as early as that? And why were the other girls not as hidden and didn't really require an elaborate soft-launch
I've always been fascinated by Taylor's lyrics that imply friends to lovers and childhood/teenage sweethearts trajectory and creating a story that spans decades and eras..
And while many of her earlier songs may be written for some other paramours, I still have so many lingering questions/thoughts
Taylor’s first time attending a runway show was Tommy Hilfiger’s Spring/Summer 2010 in September 2009—and funny enough, it was also one of Karlie’s shows. They both wore the same shade of red too. After that, a lot of the fashion shows Taylor showed up to either had Karlie walking in them or had her at the same parties. Some of these appearances even happened in the middle of Taylor’s tours, during those rare one-week breaks—she’d spend them in NYC, Paris, or sometimes London (I think?).
In one interview, Taylor mentioned spending a lot of holidays in St. Louis because some of her relatives still live there—side note: her grandma Marjorie actually grew up in STL.
Karlie showed up at the 2013 Grammys before she and Taylor were publicly seen together in November that year. It was right in the middle of New York Fashion Week—she flew to LA for the Grammys after walking some shows, then flew straight back to keep walking more. I know she was there for MTV’s House of Style, but I still wonder why that was such a priority. Also, Taylor performed “We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together” that night.
“Wildest Dreams” was written in October 2013 (so... who exactly was tall and handsome as hell back then?). “How You Get the Girl” came in January 2013. And “You Are in Love” was written and recorded in January 2014, before Big Sur. So yeah, the 1989 timeline is kinda sketchy.
And when Karlie went to the Eras Tour, she wore a bracelet with an “Enchanted” charm. Like… if you supposedly have songs linked to you from five or six different albums, why choose that bracelet?
For her first Vogue US feature Taylor was documented saying "I love Karlie Kloss. I want to bake cookies with her" unprompted by the interviewer. Others would consider this a soft-launch.
Also—how does she even calculate all those 8s and 3s? There’s no way those are just random coincidences.
Why hide as early as that? And why were the other girls not as hidden and didn't really require an elaborate soft-launch
What annoys me about KK haters is she’s played a big part in why Taylor is as good as she is. And why people fawn over the way Taylor writes about love.
Taylor’s a brilliant writer, no matter. And I am in no way minimizing her accomplishments. She would’ve been big with or without Karlie.
But as a tortured poet myself, I can say this:
The better the muse, the better the art. 🌼
I’m not talking talent. I’m talking inspiration!
^and who wouldn’t be inspired by this? 😂
Taylor really went:
“Wonder if you regret the secret of us?”
And proceeded to have her team slowly unveil a decade old lesbian drama
We don’t talk about this enough (March 4, 2023)
Karlie’s Facebook page was “hacked” and posted a timeline of the Kaylor friendship.
Swifties attacked her for it, and “Stay away from her” was trending.
And yes I have receipts. So so many receipts.
More daisies from Karlie. 🤦🏻♀️
The daisies are the only thing in color on the frame from Karlie's Mother's Day recap because it is an exact mirroring of the Taylor sighting.... let's take a look
The daisies in Karlie's are directly next to Garden roses and a peony, white ones to be exact. Which are the same 2 flowers in the pot right next to Taylor in her daisy dress-
They're the same picture.
thoughts on Taylor spending mother's day with Travis in Philly? instead of with Karlie and the kids....
No thoughts. It's the regularly scheduled date for stunts. So it is expected right on cue
All of these happened on the 11th of various months / years.
"Can I hint at something three years in advance? Can I even plan things out that far? I think I'm going to try to do it." - Taylor (11/11/2021)
I've said for awhile this was the date and final hint ahead of time for the entire football plan. It is also around when she said "I want to tell a football story" because of Chely Wright's singer and the football player breaking the blender / coming out.
11/11 is also K/K number to letter, which is likely why 11 was chosen.
I would lean that the photos were set to drop on the 11th but didn't actually take place yesterday. Not entirely sure if it can be proven it was taken yesterday, I just doubt it.
If it was, well that's obviously not in her control then, the date has been 11th for all the other stunts. She still made sure to wear daisies though so we know it's not real
But I'll finish by saying this, Taylor is seen when she wants to be seen. She wasn't spotted, she goes places all the time and there's no pics. That's her say. We didn't have to know about this at all. And when we do know something, it is with intentional purpose. The purpose clearly being that consistently she's with Travis on 11th dates so there's not much else to it
God, I love Karlie Kloss so much.
Eat my shorts, haaaters.
Karlie JUST posted this and it didn't even take me 2 seconds to see that the easter eggs here for Uno (Karlie's Version) are:
1. A blue 5 as the top card because 1989 is Taylor's blue themed 5th studio album, and today is the "This Love" anniversary !!
2. A green 1 and a green 3 paired perfectly over each other to form a 13, this either being for Debut TV or Rep TV as green is considered a color for both but I'd say between the two it's a Debut TV easter egg
3. This is obvious because conveniently no other card numbers are visible in the pile, in fact all the red ones are covered up potentially indictiating leaving the Chiefs beard behind as it connects back to Taylor's original Uno game which was *checks notes*
83 weeks and 83 days ago
Omg
love a good reference!
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Oh . My . God .
Karlie posted a beach view in California as well as herself in a field of Coreopsis Gigantea which are Cali native flowers that are in the daisy family and notably very similar in appearance.
She did this on the anniversary of her and Taylor meeting for the first time ever at the Young Hollywood Awards.....
This is the definition of Kayloring too close to the sun. Happy 4/27 !!! Also know as You Are In Love day aka the Kaylor anthem. (The duration of YAIL is intentionally 4:27 and it is directly connected to Big Sur hence Karlie being in Cali for this)
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Bonus:
To also add a bit to the beginnings: As a fashion fan, many have to realize that Karlie was considered a “high fashion” model which is different from commercial/editorial work. She was extremely busy it just regular fashion weeks but she did couture fashion. She was always overseas double time because of couture fashion shows. Spent a huge amount of time in London/Paris then would take the train to Italy. I remember as part of high fashion group they’d do shoots in Tokyo and Japan. She also did I think 2 seasons of shows for Mercedes Fashion week where you were in various shows around Germany. Just like now she’d be in the Bridal shows. She did those for Oscar de LaRenta. Back then the models hardly had anytime even for holidays because of couture. She modeled year round and lets not forget Cannes that had regular/couture. So I think that not only age but she was in high demand from fashion houses and traveled extensively. Taylor would’ve had to be at a majority of events to even get a chance to see her and Karlie was known for walking the most shows in a season. Even as an angel she didn’t just do the fashion shows but she did events at stores, parties, etc for VS. That’s what an actual angel does. It’s more than VS shows you have to open their stores or do store/reg events for them outside the shows. So many misunderstand that about karlie….she was in another realm of modeling that not many ever get too. I think as karlie got older she was able to manage her schedule better. I think Taylor spending times/moving to NY helped. Karlie also became more selective on shows. Plus I remember stories about her constantly on phone right up to time to walk but she could do it because she was a queen.
Sorry got so long but she really did have an intense schedule.
Hi, buddy. 👋🏼
Don't apologize for it. I'm glad you brought this up. Thank you for that. 😊
YES!!! You're 111% right on this point. If you knew how many ignorant and extremely idiotic anons I get saying: "kk's not even that famous"... "Taylor was the one who made her career"... "kk is a social climber and made her name at the expense of ts"... "who is kk?". 😮💨🙄
LMAO. FFS!! 🤦🏻♀️
I just roll my eyes when I read this kind of crap in my inbox, because these kind of people are not even worth wasting my time with. They don't know the slightest thing about Kar's career in haute couture. If they knew how big Kar's name was when "kaylor met in 2013". How in demand Karlie was by the biggest names in the industry... Especially for a model as young as she was at the time. 🤦🏻♀️
Like you said, most models only dream of the kind of prestige that Kar had already achieved in the beginning of what the girls say "Kaylor happened in 2013". 🤩
You were surgical, with Karlie's extremely busy schedule for most of the year, especially during fashion week season, it must have been a crucial point when the girls first met before 2013 for that they didn't go beyond casual, if they ever got romantically involved at all. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 I remember Kar's snapchats were basically airplanes, airports, snacks, backstage at shows and running around with a carry-on bag (I miss the most random and silly posts she made almost daily 😪). There's even a video for Vogue or maybe it's on her channel in 2014 (?) where she shows at least 2 or 3 passports completely filled and almost finished with the current one. Like... WTH?? 😮🫨 The girl was basically a nomad. 🤭 KK probably paid the condo fees so her plants had somewhere to live, because she herself was never home, poor thing. Lol
Even Swifties have noticed Taylor's love for the Great Gatsby referencing her in many songs such as TIWWCHNT
and happiness
Karlie also loves the novel and have referenced quotes from the author herself
We know of Karlie's 2013 Vogue cover wearing the same dress as Daisy Buchanan (Carey Mulligan) who was originally starred by Betty Fields
the similarities to their story goes deeper than that, while everyone has been great in seeing the parallels with the novel/movie I think the most obvious parallel is in the actual people who inspired the novel
Artist/author: F Scott Fitzgerald (who is also an alcoholic)
Muse: Ginevra King, born in Chicago and their story is basically the plot of Timeless TV
Fitzgerald literally fought during the Great War.
Ginevra wasn't just a muse she was also a writer. While still married, she wrote a story similar to the Great Gatsby and sent that story to Fitzgerald on March 6. In her story, she is trapped in a loveless marriage with a wealthy man yet still pines for Fitzgerald.
I mean, did Karlie not post this before TTPD release?
Taylor has always been at minimum intrigued by Karlie ever since they first met back in April 2008, we know this because just to mention two instances off the top of my head about Taylor's vast knowledge about Karlie's early career, one of Taylor's own looks for herself in the Bad Blood MV was a perfect copy of a look Karlie did in a 2008 photoshoot and during the Rep Tour Taylor also had looks inspired by photoshoots Karlie did at the very beginning of her career. Taylorseriously has hardcore knowledge about Karlie early career that I've only ever seen matched by one of Karlie's hardcore long-time stans that used to run an update account on Tumblr for her a couple of years ago.
Taylor seems to have thought that Karlie was pretty neat and interesting ever since they met each other as teens and maybe even had a little bit of a crush on Karlie since all the way back then, but it seems like they only really interacted with each other in person a couple times a year from 2008 up until like 2011 when Taylor and Karlie became obviously interested in trying to get with each other, which is perfectly fine and sensible since Karlie only came of age in the summer of 2010.
I have nothing against Dianna, but the more music Taylor puts out about how she feels about Karlie and just how long she's had these feelings for Karlie, the more I get the sense that the reason Taylor ever even tried to get serious with Dianna might've been because Taylor thought that her age gap with Dianna was more appropriate than her age gap with Karlie at the time.
Hey!✌🏼
I think the age difference and the timing of their actual meeting also played a part, and that's why maybe they started out as something casual. Or just, like you said, a mutual crush, nothing more than friendship.
I think Suburban Legends, which seems to be from Kar's point of view, also touches on this a bit, when she mentions "You'd be more than a chapter in my old diaries with the pages ripped out" and later, when they meet up years later, the part about "I pace down your block I broke my own heart 'cause you were too polite to do it." But I think that last part now refers to Tay's reluctance to involve Kar in all the trouble that she would get into dating the rising pop star TS.
I have always thought that 22 was not about Dianna, and I think Taylor gave us a big clue with the hidden message and that 143 was also not about her despite that Valentine's Day post. But vibes don't equal to proof, sadly.
Thanks to @taylorklosscomeout138's sleuthing/spiraling, they found that Big Sur MV was released on 3/6. I mean we all knew about Karlie's Big Sur post 189 days before 1989TV but I haven't seen anyone talk about Big Sur MV itself
*not saying 22 is about Kaylor but there are certainly some flagging
I mean come on, what are the odds of these scenes replicated?
but wait, isn’t 22 about Dianna? her name was there
you mean, this?
yes, because putting your SO's name with your other friends screams romantic
So, when Taylor was 22 in 2011/2012, who was 19? Your guess is as good as mine >.O
also.. 143, wasn't that used by Dianna? Again, many of us just focus on what the muses do and not think "Does Taylor even care?" So for me, it doesn't matter that Dianna used 143 what matters is what Taylor acknowledges.
One thing that made me wonder was why release 22 MV on March 13 instead of 3/6 to keep up with the theme?
so this for me ties the parallels to Aug 3 and maybe this random date
and what's the significance of 3/6? Love locked down and the locket of course - both have posted on this date
Begin Again/love lock bridge significance
Let's not forget this ur my Lover bff merch using the locket. Was she ever bffs with Calvin? uhm
so yeah, i think it's safe to say that Taylor used 143 to flag someone whose birthday was on August 3 and who was 19 when she was 22
Taylor wrote 22 on June 1, 2012, which brings us back to “This Love”
And of course Karlie can't help herself (the pose seem familiar? maybe seen it on Lover lyric MV?)
coffee and breakfast at midnight?
and the desire to have someone
(Link to Patreon for comic/manga drafts - for now)
Let me begin this by saying it took me a long time to put this out because I wanted to respect various muse timelines, etc. But I also realized I wanted to at least know the almost/maybe truth (since only Taylor knows).
These are based on interviews, Taylor's journal entries, music video/s, and also compared notes to other fandoms like Gleeks and took a look at Liz's lyrics and social media posts.
Eras Tour mashup Chart
Style
Enchanted
State of Grace
Begin Again
Holy Ground
Message in a Bottle
Everything Has Changed
When Emma Falls in Love
This Love
Back to December (w/ Enchanted and Dear John)
*Disclaimer - these analyses are based on what Taylor said during Bevan's interview that her and Karlie met in 2008
for excel sheet of timeline and my unecessary musings pls see below
My musings/realizations
Many of the songs in Red cannot be about Dianna since a lot of them were written before they met, it's possible they met earlier but we also have to take into consideration Lea/Dianna timeline since they seem like they were serious with Dianna moved in with Lea
I feel like Julianne Hough had a bigger role in Taylor's early life, some lyrics seem to describe her particularly I Bet You Think About Me
Liz going to Eras on 8/3 was sus - side: she reposted @taylorklosscomeout138's post (with all the gaylor and kaylor tags)
It's good to look at Liz's discography too, she seems to be talking about Taylor and according to her lyrics that she fell for the other person esp Nothing Personal and H8u and the other person wasn't as serious as they expected
This link gets updated each time we find something relevant
and you knew what it was, she is in love
another thing too,
taylor was seen in new york that day (same day karlie posted the handprint in wet cement post) and then the very next day they were both papped hanging out at a bar in beverly hills 🙂↔️
so slut! being west coast coded works just fine 😌
And don't forget that right before the unfollow the topic of Abi still following Kar had picked up quite a lot in interest again. It was like one week everyone is talking about it and the next she unfollows, just interesting timing if you ask me.
So the people accusing other of selective memory should do well in remembering as well the facts that happenend before the unfollow and not just the ones after before pointing fingers, just sayin'
🎯