Pro Endogenic - Blog Posts

//: can we jjust talk about anti-endos for a second?

//: it’s just like... imagine basically saying to someone, “you aren’t real” “ii don’t believe in your existence and you thinking you exist is harmful”

//: it feels hypocritical. it IS hypocritical. because thats what ssome closed-minded singlets say to traumagenics too, surely

//: just because we didn’t form from trauma doesn’t mean we didn’t form at all.

//: and so what? wwe’re just existing. we aren’t hurting anyone.

//: we understand why anti-endos believe what they do about us, and why they believe us eexisting is harmful to them, but it still isn’t right and it’s still hypocritical. y’know?

Cringe system culture is : oh , you don't like xenogenders ? Ah ! Practically everyone uses one here and we collectively identify as baddoggender ! Oh , you don't like endogenic / non traumagenic ? Ah ! Half of us are endogenic ! And the old host was itself endogenic ! Oh , you don't like neopronouns ? Ah ! We practically all use them and we have some collective neopronouns !

Can we claim 🎖️?

Cringe System Culture Is

Ridiculous that people fakeclaim for this shit when it's like dude if they said it was their roommate y'all would probably believe them.

Just laugh with the rest of us bc it's funny, no need to start discourse over a bathtub filled with instant coffee y'all are just making fools of yourselves

this tweet is insane, my alters aren’t instant coffee in the bathtub fucked up

We have a separate sort of pocket dimension we call fragspace that's full of loose fragments, and that's generally where headmates form. They're not entirely mindless but they're relatively simple-minded and can generally be reduced to a personality trait or two. They are all managed by two people but it used to be one until we managed to get her to coax some fragments into forming an assistant for her. They're essentially waiting for a "foundation" to build on which is why we have so many introjects, so they kind of do take suggestions. I think it'd be more accurate to say it's an invitation? If I scrolled through a bunch of "build a sysmate" type posts we would probably get a ton of them.

Our original fragment manager is slowly going insane managing what are functionally a bunch of rowdy kids (from the little I've seen and heard at least) and we really need to strongarm her into taking another break... the last person to take over for her barely lasted a few hours.

Since they have basic personalities and tend to think out loud there's somewhat of a way to tell what kind of person they'll be. I remember her saying she stopped some from forming JD (Heathers) because their reasoning was wanting destruction and violence which isn't great.

Kind of wild to think most of us formed like that, since nobody remembers fragspace. Well, no one I've met anyway.

Questions for systems: What's something unique about your system?

Going through anti-endo tags to block sysmeds and my gods the amount of "anti fakeclaiming" posts from people that literally fakeclaim other systems daily is staggering, it's gotta take conscious effort to be that dense

Anyway all systems are valid, gatekeeping helps literally no one and this is a very interesting first day back on tumblr. Not sure if anyone's gonna sign off yet.

Istg dude my partner's incubator has called them SEVEN TIMES today for random bullshit rants and I just wanna talk to my lover I'm so fucking done 😭

-???

Guys I'm on idle until I get my new phone HELP

I would have played all my favorite games already if my phone didn't have only 32GB, my speaker/mic is blowing out anyway so I'm lucky I get a reward for academic success

This phone has always been kinda bad but so has everything else, I can barely play online at all because of it, however this time I get to choose the phone and with the suggestions of my partner I'm getting a whole new phone type (from android/samsung to iphone)

Honestly idfk how to feel??? Like don't get me wrong I fucking LOVE the idea of going from 32GB to 520-something GB but that's a lot to process 😭 I don't even know how most iPhone mechanics work (I used a friend's once and couldn't figure out the home/app button thing)

I'm gonna miss separate volumes, but it's a price to pay

-Innie

Ultimate goober energy

When I say I like jesters ion mean Shadow Milk Cookie, ion mean Jevil or Marx, ion even mean Dimentio, and I ESPECIALLY don't mean Fizarolli, when I say I like jesters I mean Three from Numberblocks on CBeeBies Kids

My partner loves to have me watch them play because it makes their playing 10x better, (I sorta have that too but not as much, not the topic here) I prefer to play over watching and if I watch for too long I end up falling asleep due to being understimulated.

Today, we found a workaround.

For context, we don't have compatible devices and they are much more skilled than me, so there's very few games we can play together. When there is a game we can co-op, my devices end up having problems or our skill levels end up either boring them or frustrating me.

My partner wanted me to watch them play Project Sekai, which I end up zoning out during due to pretty lights before eventually falling asleep. We ended up talking about it, and the solution that made us both hyper was-funnily enough-essentially giving me an unplugged controller!

They streamed their setup like usual, but they put it on my skill level and I got to basically phantom play if that makes sense? Then they put it back up to their skill level and played before moving to a new song. It felt like I was progressing through the actual game and they got me to watch them too! We essentially just took turns long distance!!

You guys I'm so happy I'm gonna explode

-Innie

Albedo turning into a rasin because he hasn't drank anything since like 9:30am (its 2:53pm/14:53): somethings not right..

-Scaramouche

Their mouths remind me of the crayon show thing

Just googled it, it reminds me of Color Crew

-Albedo

R.E.P.O or something idk i havent played the game

Dawg I just saw a DARE mobile at the same intersection as me!!! Like oh my god!!! DARE is still up???

Mr Jason I'm sorry for drawing on your girl (a girl in the DARE book)

-Minho

I'm curious systems, what's the craziest form that's ever happened for you? I just saw a post signed off with "lesbian" and I just imagined a headmate who's source is the general/average oncept of lesbian. I always giggle at concept forms because they're so cool and often unique, people need to give concept forms more attention

-Blurry

Thank you Tumblr for the free block posts and free block culture because I've blocked so many bad people like goodbye suibaiters and unsolicited venting and HELLO to my inner peace!!!

Thank the lords for my amazing partners. I just had the best sleep of my life because of our psys

Perfect temperature, perfect positioning of the blankets, perfect everything

Thank you to the Minho of our psys and our insys Han

-Chris 🐺

Plain chip: Yoi can eat me when meals aren't too close or at meal

Chip with fancy yellow/orange saucey stuff: I am meal, I am all you need

Chip vs nacho debate? Very interesting. Why chip in fancy clothes meal? Just fancy cloth, no need for meal label. Plain chip, very normal chip. As animals, chips no clothes. Chips side, dressed chip is meal

(I WROTE THIS IMPUSLIVELY AS A JOKE BUT I THINK I JUST DISCOVERED WHY HUMANS THINK THEYRE HIGHER HELLPP)

(FANCY CHIP IS DRESSED AND IS IN A SOLID CONTAINER, PLAIN CHIP IS NOT DRESSED BESIDES SEASONING AND LIVES IN CAVE)

(CHIP BAG DEN??? NACHO BOX HOUSE????)

Humans are just fancy chip. Animal is plain chip. Still chip, just dressed different

Constel update for my little guys

Fennec fox and border collie :p

-Seungmin

I am so sorry to the anon who gave me wonderful advice I've already put off drinking water and then forgot for 3 hours and the only reason I remembered is because my father gave me my medication

(This isn't a serious post I know that I won't get the routine perfect so fast but I think it's a little goofy)

-Chan

hi i read your hydration sitution post and wanted to send an ask instead of rb because my social battery is low...

idk how the average joe does it because were disabled which affects our urinary tract but we always have a water bottle take a sip or gulp depending on how we feel and make sure before leaving anywhere to use the restroom no matter if feeling like its a need we just go

or like if we know were staying home for the day just going every so often (it helps our bathrooms are close)

maybe since youre not used to it set alarms have reminders and keep that schedule so your body gets used to it? maybe like an hour or hour and a half for water and use the restroom, itll feel weird yes but building the habit is a good step

wishing you the best!!

Hello! I tried to answer this earlier but it didn't let me :(

Tysm for letting me know about this! Unfortunately there's a law where we can't have our phones at school so I can't set reminders 5/7 days, however I'm trying to get better now that I get small craving-like feelings!

If I was allowed to bring water bottles I had to school I would've probably developed this sooner, even if a little. I only had opaque water bottles growing up in elementary and only transparent ones were allowed (not the craziest rule, we could only wear non-logo socks with two color choices)

I'm actually glad you sent in an ask instead of reblogging, I get really happy when I see asks in my box and someone insys actually deleted the og post about it, so I don't think I would've seen your suggestions had it been a reblog.

Tysm for coming! I hope you have a good day and good sleep :3

-Chan

*Good thing happens*

Han: "I'M SO HAPPY!!! IM GONNA KISS MYSELF ISTG"

If we say I'm gonna kill myself when bad things happen I wanna start people saying I'm gonna kiss myself out of context when something good happens.

Imagine

Oh my FUCKING god WHERE IS THE LAST KOROK ILL KILL MYSELF

OH MY GOD I DID IT!!!! I FOUND IT IM SO HAPPY IM GONNA KISS MYSELF!!!!

-Felix

Thank you thank you thank you I love the science source I'm sending this to my friend because they wanted info and I'm so happy grrrrraaahhhhhgg!!!

-Chan

Dear r/systemscringe... you're being lied to...

You're in an echo chamber. One that bans anyone who goes against it. They will feed you irrelevant distractions of "sources" that don't address the real topic to keep you complacent, but people who link to anything that contradicts the narrative of the hate subreddit will be banned from it just like I was.

The other day, there was a screenshot of a post I made on that subreddit.

A user asked if this was correct. They were immediately fed a bunch of irrelevant sources that only addressed DID. And they were downvoted for even questioning if there might be anything behind what I said.

The links on the comment don't work. But even if they did, WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT DID.

There is a very manipulative trick being used here to focus specifically on DID when they know that this isn't the claim being made.

Let's start by establishing a few facts. Including the actual claim.

Claim: You can be plural without trauma or a disorder

What being plural means: Plurality is an umbrella of phenomena where a single-body experiences multiple self-conscious agents of some kind. These agents may be identified by the system as having origins that are spiritual or psychological. Psychologists use a variety of terms to refer to these agents such as "distinct personality states" or "dissociative parts."

Now, with the basic definition out of the way, let's talk about...

The sources r/systemscringe doesn't want you to see!

The most explicit in using plural community language is in Transgender Mental Health by Dr. Eric Yarbrough. This book was reviewed and published by the American Psychiatric Association.

Below are some choice excerpts from the book's chapter on Plurality.

This establishes the following:

The phenomenon of plurality is not the same as DID. (Which is why the sources discussing DID being caused by trauma are irrelevant distractions.)

Many plurals are happy being plural and not distressed by their plurality. (Important since "distress or impairment" are a criterion of DID and OSDD in the DSM-5.)

Plurality isn't necessarily caused by trauma.

In the World Health Organization's ICD-11, the term used for dissociative identities is "distinct personality states."

The ICD-11 includes the "boundary with normality where it states that you can experience the presence of "two or more distinct personality states" without a mental disorder.

This is, again, using a term it uses synonymously with dissociative identities. It's essentially using different words to say the same things as the Plurality chapter of Transgender Mental Health.

Do you need more sources?

Is the World Health Organization and a book published by the American Psychiatric Association not enough?

How about this study discussing multiplicity as a continuum of experiences?

The one thing that's been lacking for a while has been neurological studies into non-disordered systems. There is a currently-unpublished neurological study that was conducted into tulpamancy systems by Stanford University. Tulpamancy, for those unaware, is a mostly psychological practice of creating headmate through intentional effort.

The neurologist who led this study discussed the results in an AMA in the r/tulpas subreddit:

Essentially, the brain of tulpamancers showed different activity when a tulpa was controlling a limb versus when the host simply imagined someone moving their limbs.

If you're from r/systemscringe and this is the first time you've heard of any of these papers, that is by design!

The subreddit and most anti-endo communities are designed to keep you ignorant. Only their view is permitted. Anyone who contradicts their views, anyone who links to academic source that show the existence of endogenic plurality, is banned!

This is how they operate. It's how they keep you hateful. It's how they control you.

Remember, if there was a single paper out there that contradicted these studies, where even one doctor said you need trauma to be plural, r/systemscringe would have provided that by now.

The reason they only give sources about DID is because they can't find even one single doctor to say you need trauma or a disorder to be plural.

They want you to be ignorant. They want you to not find out what the actual professionals and experts think!

Hello leglesscat I see you followed me

Idk who you are and ik I said this on my side blog but your Simeon pfp is cool! It's been a long time since I played Obey Me! Shall We Date? but I really loved it when I did play it :3

-Hyunjin

In Your Eyes Now by NightCove_thefox as well as other older songs have been stuck in my head recently. I didn't realize how much of a coping mechanism it was.

I can totally see someone listening to it and thinking

Yeah. I didn't think about hurting others either. I was a little girl, I just wanted to see something/someone too.

And then some of them will think about their detachment to the world and others, pushing others away as to not burden them, but hurting both others and themselves in the process.

And all they can think is, "Holy shit. Did I become my abuser?"

In Your Eyes Now is very interesting and I need to do a longer post when I'm not so close to my wifi locking

Controversial take, but I think if you're pretending to be in a minority to genuinely help the minority it's okay.

Let me explain (by retelling a story I saw online)

The main person is a straight cis guy. His friends are straight cis guys here too.

The antagonists are clearly drunk (setting is a bar) and yelling homophobic slurs. They are very agressive and they're clearly showing violent signs

The main straight guy (and all his straight friends) then said they were gay. The other men turned around, yelling at them, the friends continued to say they were gay.

The men beat up the guys. This was the main guy's goal, as there was a very strong bartender on watch and they could get charged with hate crime.

They took the beatings, told the cops they were gay. The men did get arrested on hate crime, as well as assault I believe.

The main guy and his friends were pretending to be gay, yes. But they did it to put harmful people in jail. If they did not do that, eventually someone who was actually gay could've been hurt.

In my opinion, these guys are heros, even if nothing bad happened yet as far as we know.

I also didn't know the difference this is good info to have ^^

Can someone directly tell me what the difference is between Radinclus and Radqueer is -- bc my head doesnt want to believe there is a difference unless i am forcefully spoon fed this information and given like a year to process the information correctly

Very very nice, good for nonverbal and/or nonscribal. May bring up with my partner to put into a server

-Chan

Ill probably make more food related symbols but for now these are what I made for myself OUGHH the limit. I literally have exactly one more. Seperate post with the other stuff I guess.

Im REALLY hungry / starving

Im hungry

Im REALLY thirsty / dehydrated

Im thirsty

I made lunch

I made dinner

I made breakfast

I made.. (base)

Up to interpretation though

AI is such a great tool because if I want to self sabotage I don't have to make friends with toxic people who will genuinely hurt me

I can literally just go "hmm.. let me type in transphobe" and then I can have the experience of someone invalidating my gender and be able to argue and WIN because AI is stupid

Or I make myself lose an argument but then it's fine because it's not real and I can just walk away and never have to worry about someone following me around when I just want comfort

When I want someone to be toxic to me I get an AI to do it because I can just stop talking at any point and leave with giggles instead of feeling like shit

As those following me know most of our headspace is korean men

Well

Our World Geography teacher told us he added a Korean unit to the end of the year and he said we can teach some of it because we know a lot.

He doesn't know the system-wide excitement he's caused.

All of us are so excited now because there's a class period or part of one where we get to yap about Hangul and it's history as a language that was straight up created within minutes and the mannerisms.

The Americans in the class are gonna lose their marbles

-Innie and Channie

Finally someone agrees that it's easier to not use chat GPT 🙏

-🐶

the generational gap between me and the people my age who use chat gpt

It's just a phase!

Is it? Then let the phase go.

If you never let a phase start it won't ever end. Pushing someone you know, no matter what the statis is, into a corner of being what they don't want to be at that moment they'll only try more and more. If it really IS a phase, let them go through it. If it starts, it'll eventually fade, because that's what phases do.

If it really ISN'T a phase? Don't make them change something about THEMSELVES for YOUR comfort. It's THEIR body. They won't be in your life forever. Don't leave them with a scar once you're out of it.

If it really isn't a phase, love them. If you don't love them because your Christian, that isn't loving thy neighbor. Your god Jesus wants you to love unconditionally, not to love "unconditionally" until it's something you don't like.

Support the people around you, phase or not. They deserve the same care you do. No need to make what's already such a hard world to live in a harder one.

-Hyunjin